fuck it is so annoying to have to put down the bags of food to open the car door.... that takes like 30 seconds.

its not just about the standard "rights". in the US women do have the right to chose any (legal) path they want and if some dinosaur doesnt like it, well fuck him.

postfeminism or the third wave or whatever is also about non-discrimination and transcending double standards and preconceived ideals.
like contrary to how liberated some men may think they are, some men are still dinosaurs when it comes to how to treat, react, think of women. for instance, chemistry is something i dig dig dig and know alot about i have been shoved out of discussions about this topic because im cute and have a vagina. and not by dudes you would call your typical sexist. also the idea that if im interested in your friendship or your opinions or your welfare, i must also be interested in your cock. 100,000 times out 100,001 times im fucking not.

or how about this, as a single mom i have encountered this a time or 2. since i am a single mother i have run into the "oh so you must be a waitress" WTF? and i dont get pissed about, i get fascinated about it.
i also encounter this WWAAAYYY to fucking often... my little family is broken and doesnt stand a real chance unless something with a cock comes around to save us. im not deluded enough to think that were not all missing something about the kids dad, but its not survival, the ability to be whole or provided for.

another problem is the way too frequent assumption that because the i can see the inequities and get pissed about them, that i hate men. absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. but im not about to be patronized or oogled by some jackass either.

alot of people need to take a look at their real life reactions to women and see if theyre still holding onto these double standards and preconceived ideas. thats alot of what the current struggle is about in this country. like someone can say theyre not a racist because they dont seek to take away rights from black people, but they still lock their car doors driving through a "black" neighborhood and feel a black person is more likely to mug them. its the SAME FUCKING THING.

No coincidence that years ago when parental discipline was more severe, there were less problems with people growing up to be rude, impolite, aggressive, disrespectful and unlawful. If you ask me, we see such a rabid society nowadays because parents have been getting more and more leniant and soft with their children, allowing them to take the piss left right and centre.

I was hit very gently and at appropriate times when i was a child, and i grew up to be pretty much the best you could hope for. I've found that parents who are soft on their kids and allow them to misbehave, or make excuses for misbehaviour, either end up with kids who don't give a shit about anyone or they grow up to be parents of kids who don't give a shit about anyone, begetting exactly the type of society we have today - a pretty damn awful one.

Over-aggressive or inappropriate hitting of children is completely unrelated to the type of smack i got as a child and is an entirely different problem, one that i would argue has little relation to the law anyway, and can be clamped down without hindering a parent's ability to raise a good member of society.

Sorry but i couldn't stop myself biting at this one. We come from the animal kingdom where if you're a naughty little monkey, you get a bit of a smack. Do we expect children to be born with respect for society and empathy towards others so that we can REQUEST them to stop misbehaving? You can see the failure of that method happening every day in a supermarket when a kid is taking the piss out of his parents.

Raise a child correctly and you'd rarely if ever have to smack them, but the need may arrise in order to do right by them (and therefore others) for the future. I have no respect for a person who says "parents should never smack a child" - they simply don't understand how people work well enough. Be a bleeding heart all you like, but the fact is people in the recent past knew how to raise children better than we are doing, and we can learn from their methods in all aspects of a child's upbringing, whilst introducing quality restrictions that protect a child from anything untoward - because we can all see the failure of that too, and it's a terrible thing.

I really didn't want to bite and go off on a tangent too damn it! But raise your hand if you've ever:
- Nearly got in an accident because a kid opened a car door/ran into the road/stepped in front of you and the parent shouted at YOU!
- Complained to a parent because you're being in some way victimised by a kid and the parent shouted at YOU!
- Not complained to a parent because you thought they'd be just as bad!
- etc.

I can't count the number of times that's happened to me. I get a warm fuzzy feeling when i see a nice polite kid being kind, because it's such a rare sight.

Beezelrob: It doesn't need to be FWD, 4wd would do that if the front/rear differential lock is off.

Abducted: It's called a slim-jim, anyone with a bit of knowledge can open a car door in about 15-30 seconds (less if you know the make/model well) they just pop it out of gear or take the break off to tow. I used to own a Honda Civic when I was a student and left my keys in there all the time by accident, you can open it with a three ring binder if you know how.

Watch the front end of the cop car just above the tire carefully before it begins to pull out. It rocks down like someone has just sat down in the driver's seat, then rocks again quickly like someone is slamming the car door shut.

Several things, but firstlet me say that I am a HUGE dog lover:

1) As was mentioned, becasue the officer was not there in a law capacity, a warrant was not needed.

2) Yes the offier had a radio. but if they are looking for a location, how is dispatch supposed to help them with directions? Many rural areas don't have address signs near me.
Officer: I need directions
Dispatch: Where are you
Officer: by that big Oak tree....
Short version: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH AN OFFICER STOPPING FOR DIRECTIONS!!! At most it's a violation of his man-card, becasue men aren't supposed to ask for directions.

3) He is a Police Officer, not a vet.... Perhaps he has no idea what breed that is and wether it is an agressive breed or not. The dog was running at him and he had no idea.

4) Dog attacks CAN be deadly! Even if they are not deadly, they can cause severe injury.

5) Look at the timeline.. at 20 seconds he is at the door, at 23 seconds he is at the front at 26 seconds he seems to notice the dog and starts to back away, at 27 seconds (maybe 28), he shoots..... So:
3 seconds to walk to front of car
3 seconds to notice dog running at him
1-2 seconds to back away and get in his car as people have suggested.... You try getting into your car in 1-2 seconds from the front while something is running at you....
From car door to front of car, to shooting was about 7-8 SECONDS!! This officer did not stand there with gun drawn and just try to shoot the dog.
The dog was a preceived threat, he draw his firearm and neatralized the threat. Tragic, yes, but not criminal.

6)Many people here and the lady in the video are trying to make it look like the guy had nothing else better to do and said "hey, let me go shoot someone's dog today". I seriously doubt that is the case.

7) Not to put blame on the victim, but what are the leash laws there? Are dogs supposed to be leased if the property is not fenced off?

I think a lot of people here LOOK for reasons to blame cops (and some look for reasons to vindicate them). Cops are people. Yes they are held to a higher standard, but saying that Cops are bad, while not a "racist" remark, is still an ignorant one. There are bad cops for sure, but it is not every cop.

9) I would also disagree with the puppy comment. The dog is at least 4 years old (28 human years). Definately not a puppy.

[Talking]
Holden Street
Dean Street
click clack, Presidents
Nostrand Ave
DP's, Orange Ave
RBG's, T-Town
Who Wanna Ride, Brooklyn
Come on, Come on

[Rapping]
Sittin' in the living room on the flo' hunger pain
got me on some migraine shit but I'ma maintain
Nigga got two or three dollars to my name
and my homies in the same boat goin' through the same thing
ready for a caper, steady plottin' for the paper
we been livin' in the dark since April
on the candle, gotta get a handle
my homie got a 25 automatic added to the gamble
nigga get the phone book look up in the yellow page
lemme tell you how we fiendin ta get paid
we gon' order take out, when we see the driver
we gon' stick the 25 up in his face, let's ride
steppin' outside like warriors into the notorious southside
one weapon to the four of us, hidin' in the corridor
til' we see the dominoes car headlights
white boy in the wrong place at the right time
soon as the car door open up he mine
we roll up quick and put the pistol to his nose
by the look on his face he probly shitted in his clothes
you know what this is a stick up
gimme the dough, from the pick up
you ran into the wrong niggas
we runnin down the block hot with these stack of boxes boxes
so we split up and met back at the apartment

Hell Yeah
yo ain't you hungry my nigga
hell yeah
you wanna get paid my nigga
hell yeah
ain't you tired of starvin' my nigga
hell yeah, (well lets ride then) hell yeah

I know a way we can get paid
you can get down but you can't be afraid
let's go to the DMV and get a ID
the name says you but the face is me
now it's yo' turn take my paperwork
like 1,2,3 let's make it work
then fill out out the credit card application
then it's gonna be about three weeks of waitin'
for American Express, Discover card
Platinum Visa Mastercard
cuz when we was boothed and shit then we was targets
now we just walk right up and say charge it
to the game we rockin' brand names
well known at department store chains
even got the boys in the crew a few thangs
Po Po never know who to true blame
store after store ya' know we kept rollin'
wait two weeks report the card stolen
repeat the cycle like a laundrymat
like a glitch in the system thats hard to catch
comin' out the mall, with the shopping bags
we can take 'em right back and get the cash
yeah, get a friend and do it again
damn right that's how we pay the rent

Hell yeah

Got to get this paper
I'm down for the caper, we steady on the grind
It's a daily struggle
We all gotta hustle, this is the way we survive
[x2]

I know a caper
we can get some government paper
ya' know food stamps, can we really do that
hell yeah right there for the takin'
fuck welfare we say reparations
Ya' know the grind
get up early get on the line and just wait
everybody on break
that's part of the game and when they call your name
Miss caseworker lemme state my claim
I'm homeless, jobless, time is hard
about hopeless, but I gotta eat regardless
no family to run to I'm 22
now tell me what the fuck am I supposed to do
my sad story made her feel close to me
I made her feel like it was in emergency
and when I came to the crib niggas couldn't believe
I came back with a big bag of groceries

Every job I ever had I had to get
on the first day I find out how to pimp the system
two steps ahead of the manager
gettin' over on the regular tax-free money out the register
and when I'm workin' late night stockin boxes
I'm creepin' their merchandises
Don't put me on dishes I'm droppin' them bitches
and takin' all day long to mop the kitchen
shit, we ain't gettin paid commission, minimum wage
modern day slave conditions
got me flippin' burgers with no power
can't even buy one off what I make in an hour
I'm not one to kiss ass for the top position
I take mine off the top like a politician
where I'm from doin' dirt is a part of livin'
I got mouths to feed dog I gotsa' get it

Hell Yeah
You down to roll my nigga
Hell Yeah
You ready to get your hands dirty my nigga
Hell Yeah
Your momma need money and thangs my nigga
Hell Yeah, Well let's ride then, Hell Yeah

If you claimin' gangsta
Then bang on the system, and show that you ready to ride
Til' we get our freedom
We got to get over, we steady on the grind
[x2]

That old retired Nazi that you all cheer is the same one that is going to rat YOU out when the U.S. becomes a police state. If someone wants to pay $4.00 a gallon and drive a Hummer, so what, it's none of your business. The only criminal in this video is the old gutless fart who hasn't the balls to do it in front of the owner because he knows he's in the wrong. I hope the owner pays him back two-fold. Once in court, then later with a little covert op to smear some crap under his car door handle

>> ^NetRunner:
^ I actually agree with you on most of the actions you're recommending, if not your total rejection of "socialism" (which you seem to define as "anything that restricts businesses from doing as they please")

No, I define socialism for what it is: any government which controls over 50% of its capital. We are extremely close to that and it's a major problem. Do you understand that in a libertarian society, it is illegal to infringe on a person's rights, whether you're a company or an individual? How do you interpret my post as wanting to let companies do ANYTHING they please? Gimme a break, companies in a truly free market are forced to follow the law and compete in a fair environment or be taken to court. The enablements of inflation, subsidies, and specialized tax breaks erode that fairness. Without that, companies would have only one legitimate way to make money: to convince you to buy their product over their competitor's. And to pay its workers by outbidding its competition and getting you to agree on a price. Oh, the horror! And not even the highest paid lawyers in the world can win cases on outright false advertising and malpractice.


>> ^NetRunner:
^There is always an implied (and in your case directly stated) belief that anyone who believes in regulating markets doesn't understand economics, and I heartily disagree. If that were the case, all PhD economists would all be endorsing the Libertarian party...and yet, they've got a political spectrum that leans left of the average populace.

"Economics" is too vague. There are many different branches, the dominant philosophy changes with time. Currently, it is neo-Keynesian, but that will change after its collapse. It matters not that 90% of current economics doctorates are in this manner of thinking. The Austrians were already proven right from the FIRST great depression, do we really need another one to figure out that the Federal Reserve is the equivalent of the benevolent dictator argument?

>> ^NetRunner:
^My favorite "market regulation" is a ban on slavery. If you follow the Libertarian/market fundamentalist argument -- slavery should be legal. People should be able to sell themselves into permanent servitude, and then be resold by their owners.

I don't think that's going to fly, because no one would know if you were voluntarily doing it or somehow coerced or tricked into doing it. But fundamentally, you're right, people own their own bodies, and that means they are free to inflict themselves with drugs, kill themselves, whatever. If our technology comes to a point where the government is capable of manipulating your body into not doing something with some kind of field under the pretense of protecting you, will you allow them this ability? Or are you smart enough to realize that the power will be abused and incur ultimate costs far greater than the benefits?

>> ^NetRunner
Fraud should also be legalized -- if I'm smart enough to dupe a person or corporation out of their money, I should get to keep it.

Wrong, misrepresentation or not honoring a verbal or contractual agreement is the equivalent of theft. The transaction is not complete until both parties receive what they contractually agreed upon. If some person in Negeria tells you you won a prize and you pay them the collection fee, and they give you no prize, that is an unlawful appropriation of property and an infringement of rights. Not a freely acceptable activity under a libertarian free market, because the federal government has legitimate duties to protect people from infringements of rights and offer a means of recourse through the courts. See, this is the problem. You don't even understand the few government powers that ARE justified, you're so wrapped up in its "regulatory" extensions!

>> ^NetRunner:
^Violent intimidation should also be legalized. If my competitors think they can open a store in my neighborhood, they better be able to protect it from my guys burning it down.

Ummm, arson is destruction property you don't own. Rights derive from property, if you don't own it, you can't take or break it with impunity in a system that protects from such infringements.

>> ^NetRunnerAfter all, only a socialist would think we should interfere with the free market.

The market is millions of people making mutually agreeable transactions. The government is not the market, they're just suppose to protect people's property and settle disputes on a national and domestic level. And it isn't black and white anyway. For example, I disagree with fellow libertarians in that I want to keep the FDA for information, labelling, and enforcement of what constitutes terms like "organic" and "free range," but remove their ability to ban products. That power is currently used for collusive anti-competitive reasons. Go on wikipedia and look up Stevia for one example, the artificial sweetener lobby bribed officials to block its use in products because it was a natural, no-patent substitute to crap like "Aspartame" which would have cost them billions.

>> ^NetRunnerThose sound silly, but they're along your line of thinking. When us "socialists" talk about regulating the mortgage market, most of us are thinking that the law should require lending companies be upfront about the risks and costs involved in loans to the customer. It shouldn't be "caveat emptor" at all times, and buying a home shouldn't mean you need to hire a lawyer, just to hear the truth about what your obligations will be.


I'm not entirely sure what such a law would say, there are risks everywhere to everything. You can't slam your finger in the car door and sue the automaker for not explaining the risks of doors to you. Likewise, if you are speculating on home appreciation and taking a non-standard loan, I have ZERO sympathy for you if you didn't read the paperwork and ask questions beforehand. Many of these people lied about their incomes to get mortgages on homes they knew they couldn't afford, but thought would pay for themselves.

Ultimately, though, their only loss will be their credit and the home they couldn't afford because they can walk away and leave their bank or lender with the unpaid loan and depreciating house. That's what the government is trying to bail out with honest taxpayer money. Instead of letting the chips fall where they may, we're trying to delay a necessary recession AGAIN with inflation. Prices want to come down from these artificial levels, and have those jobs reallocate to manufacturing exports because exports are the only thing a the weak dollar is good for. Yes, that's a painful process, just like a junkie from a high, but you have to come down from it, not shoot up with more heroin until you kill the dollar.See, that's the market's automatic way of healing itself. BUT IT ISN'T BEING ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. We're getting more intervention, full of moral hazard from socialized losses and a systemic destruction of natural deterrents (why would I keep saving prudently if I lose and a speculator wins? Why would banks stop being taking risks if the government will always spare them true consequence?).

But tell me, how many politicians are going to win an election saying that pain is necessary? Zero. They're going to play to people's ignorance and gravy train optimism and propose an easy government solution. And it will be a replay of the FDR administration with Obama, but pretty effing bad under McCain as well.

And I just want to say thank god that you didn't know any myths about gold, because I'm tired of writing today, but I see jwray made up for that. *sigh*

appears to be a surface-area disparity between the top half of the press, and the bottom...

or, i really need bifocals.

i'm thinking the lower half platform is completely swappable. so that next week, when they're molding car doors or whatever, instead of saucepans, they wheel in a much wider platform to accommodate it.

and the workers can go back to only worrying about having their forearms crushed, not their heads. the bad news? next month they're making thimbles.

From my post in the other, duplicate-sift version of this:

I can't believe none of you have gone car door skiing in the rain. You have no lives. It's a rite of passage.

A friend of mine had his cruise control on a wired remote so he could do this while driving the car with us out the other three doors... this was before the YouTube... heck, it was before the Interwebs. Wish I had the cash back then to film it (no such thing as digital imaging).

^That's why they keep raising their feet.

I can't believe none of you have gone car door skiing in the rain. You have no lives. It's a rite of passage.

That's a nice story too.

Yeah, it's funny how the little furballs grow on you and sneak their way into your heart. They become irreplaceable members of your family. Thanks for sharing your story. It's good to have friends of both the hominid and non-hominid variety.

In reply to this comment by Issykitty:
A very nice story Kronos.

Your Homer reminds me of a former kindred kitty furriend that I once knew. His name was Murdoch, and he was a retired creme-colored Persian show cat. I met him by accident, and he wasn't actually my kitty to begin with, but a neighbor's. I would sometimes be sitting on a bench outside, and I'd see him come into the yard and I could make him jump up and sit right next to me just by tapping the bench! He also knew the sound of my car and would be waiting right in the driveway looking right up at me from where I opened my car door. He showed me trust and love that I didn't really see him show anyone else. I don't know what happened to him, because one day he just disappeared. I tried to find him, but I think he went away somewhere and died of old age. I cried a lot because I didn't get to say goodbye to him :*(
It's funny how these furriends pick US human animals, not the other way around!

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
notdead

And funny. I love the Tidy Cat bucket, because that's what I used to buy. It reminds me of the only cat I ever owned. He was a big fat white stray I found, so I dubbed him "Homer". And he was the BEST cat in the world. (No offense, Issy.) He was affectionate as hell. I have a beard, and when I laid on the couch to watch the tube he'd jump up on my chest and start nuzzling my face with his.

One time during the summer a moth got in our apartment. It started flying around one of the lamps in the living room, and old Homer just sat there and watched him for at least 10 minutes. Suddenly he shot his paw out at the moth and CAUGHT him, and munched him right down. It was one of the coolest things I've ever seen a pet of mine do.

Poor old Homer died a few years ago from bone cancer in his jaw. I still miss that kitty.

A very nice story Kronos.

Your Homer reminds me of a former kindred kitty furriend that I once knew. His name was Murdoch, and he was a retired creme-colored Persian show cat. I met him by accident, and he wasn't actually my kitty to begin with, but a neighbor's. I would sometimes be sitting on a bench outside, and I'd see him come into the yard and I could make him jump up and sit right next to me just by tapping the bench! He also knew the sound of my car and would be waiting right in the driveway looking right up at me from where I opened my car door. He showed me trust and love that I didn't really see him show anyone else. I don't know what happened to him, because one day he just disappeared. I tried to find him, but I think he went away somewhere and died of old age. I cried a lot because I didn't get to say goodbye to him :*(
It's funny how these furriends pick US human animals, not the other way around!

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
notdead

And funny. I love the Tidy Cat bucket, because that's what I used to buy. It reminds me of the only cat I ever owned. He was a big fat white stray I found, so I dubbed him "Homer". And he was the BEST cat in the world. (No offense, Issy.) He was affectionate as hell. I have a beard, and when I laid on the couch to watch the tube he'd jump up on my chest and start nuzzling my face with his.

One time during the summer a moth got in our apartment. It started flying around one of the lamps in the living room, and old Homer just sat there and watched him for at least 10 minutes. Suddenly he shot his paw out at the moth and CAUGHT him, and munched him right down. It was one of the coolest things I've ever seen a pet of mine do.

Poor old Homer died a few years ago from bone cancer in his jaw. I still miss that kitty.

and by now he's out on parole. i've seen the video on the updated cars, very funny the rage they fly into when the car suddenly dies and the doors lock and they realize they're trapped in the act.

Next step in the evolution of the bait car: doors lock, engine dies, brakes bring the car to a halt, canister on steering column releases lethal gas. personally i'd like the last step to be - spring loaded knife shoots up thru seat, impaled perp writhes in excruciating agony for several minutes before expiring, but y'know, that'd be so messy to clean up