>> ^SDGundamX:

Hitchens is a sharp orator, but I can't understand why people think his arguments are either "rational" or "logical." The following author and his Hitchens' own brother pretty much explain more clearly than I ever could why I can't take Hitchens' arguments (or Dawkins' or Harris' for that matter) seriously.
What Christopher Hitchens and the New Atheists Can Learn from Malcom X
Atheism Aside: Peter Hitchens Journey to Faith
I find it ironic that those such as Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris, in their zeal to exterminate religion, have become such zealots unwilling to admit evidence contrary to their position that they now rival the fundamentalists they profess to be fighting against. The cynical part of me thinks its because they get paid a lot of money to write books and appear on TV acting that way. The more hopeful part of me is that they are just over-enthusiastic and will one day realize that the best way to accomplish your goals is probably not to make an enemy out of everybody who doesn't think the same as you.


Rather than 'guessing' at where Hitchens stance on religion came from you could read his autobiography. He has several very personal reasons for hating religion. He opens talking about his mother, who fell for a guy that was a bit of a cultist which eventually led to the double suicide of his mother and the nutter. Then upon going to bury his mother, the local church was reluctant to perform the funeral services because of the stigma around suicide. He found that money was able to smooth over those 'reservations'.

I'm by no means agreeing with Hitchens position on painting all religion that same shade of black, but he hasn't exactly just adopted that stance for no reason.

It's still there on the main talk page. I assume you meant to clean it off sometime in the last day or so?

In reply to this comment by dag:
yep, I'm a gonna move this off the main Sift Talk. Please use the main Sift Talk page for posts that are at least vaguely Sift related. kthanks.

>> ^joedirt:
is this site fully become a retarded playground for a few unfunny people??
seriously? you've been here almost 4 years and you're only now realizing this?
>> ^dag:

yep, I'm a gonna move this off the main Sift Talk. Please use the main Sift Talk page for posts that are at least vaguely Sift related. kthanks.


It's still on the main sift talk page.

i do not remember authorizing my autobiography for a film!
they are gonna hear from my lawyers!
ok..i dont have any lawyers but my friends sisters husbands brother works for one.

^ One of the greatest people who ever lived, easily. The simple advancements he made for us won't be appreciated for perhaps hundreds of years. I am absolutely serious.

EDIT: And he's only been dead a year-and-a-half.

EDIT 2: And his autobiography just came out:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1439172951/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001EUIDTK&pf_rd_m=AT
VPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0EHTZQ2A3N3Y7MYBW69B

Fantastic historical autobiography. Arigatou gozaimashita.

And as for the New World Order.. well it has been spoken of and written about for many years before our time. David Rockefeller himself is open about it:

_{In 2002 Rockefeller authored his autobiography “Memoirs” wherein, on page 405," Mr. Rockefeller writes: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."}

The founding fathers warned of what would happen if the bankers and these individuals among the elite gained too much power. Now we see evidence of their plans more and more each day.

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^rasch187:
"Shave and get drunk because you're already brilliant!"
That's gonna be the title of my autobiography

Are you sure? Are you sure it's not gonna be titled "A long and boring life on the internet"?
(cuz if not I'm takin' it)


Actually, "A long and boring life on the internet; Social anthropology in cyberspace" is the book I'm currently writing while working undercover. My tentative conclusion is 'They're all social misfits and losers'.

ps. be sure not to tell this to any of these social misfits and losers before it's published.

>> ^rasch187:
"Shave and get drunk because you're already brilliant!"
That's gonna be the title of my autobiography

Are you sure? Are you sure it's not gonna be titled "A long and boring life on the internet"?

(cuz if not I'm takin' it)

>> ^rasch187:
"Shave and get drunk because you're already brilliant!"
That's gonna be the title of my autobiography


You certainly have the drunk part down. Keep working on the other two!

"Shave and get drunk because you're already brilliant!"

That's gonna be the title of my autobiography

I quite liked Carrie Fisher's autobiography "Wishful Drinking". I like her writing style and how she is quite brutally honest about her mental state of mind. Short, but a good read.

It would make a good first chapter of your autobiography though. "Chapter I: The night I knew I needed new friends."

The first video makes two mistakes.

First, it implies that something like Creationism is endemic to religions other than Christianity. While something like Creationism has made inroads into Islam, I'm unaware of it being anything like a major question for any other religions.

Second, it fails to mention that Creationism has been criticized from the early days of Christian history. Philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine, for example, argued against it in the 4th century both in his famous autobiography The Confessions (which is still assigned reading in colleges; I had to read it three times in the coursework of a degree in philosophy) and in his less well known work On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis.

Not a problem... he is definitely one of the all time greats!

In reply to this comment by highdileeho:
Thanks for putting me on to this guy, Brilliant. i went on youtube. There was a long documentary about 90 minutes. It was the history of his joke telling, with a smattering of an autobiography mixed in. He is a brilliant comic, definitly one of the best, top 3. He had me rolling with laughter for 90 minutes. the 1 when he talks about taking a shit when he worked in the shipyard and beating out his flaming pubic hair with a hammer: so funny ...here's a link to the first bit. . Thanks again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF_bFPMZy6Q