You might have a point....if industry didn't know the damage their product causes. Since they clearly do know their product is disastrous for the planet and have known for decades, and continue make and pollute more all the time instead of mitigating the damage they cause, it's MOSTLY industry to blame today.

Junkies really want heroin, we still assign most of the blame to the cookers and pushers.

Tossing your plastics is the problem. The solution is to not take any more...for instance, you don't need a separate bag for each vegetable you buy....and to religiously recycle any you cannot avoid.

Why the animosity? Do you work for a plastics manufacturer? Would you react the same if we were talking asbestos instead of plastic?

Good point. I know France recycles their expellants down to the low percentages. We should have that in North America

The point
Your head

And I don't believe for a moment that you really are missing the point.

The victim in the video made a tweet that sounds racist, but was meant in a sarcastic manner to be making fun of the stupid things racists say.

Your own comment you've made before is the same thing, saying profiting of racism is AOK, in a sarcastic way to be making fun of the stupid things racists do:
Once you learn to profit from racism then BS like this doesn't bother you. In fact you begin to appreciate all the hard free labor that keeps the dividends flowing

You weren't really advocating for enjoying the free labor and profits of racism, you were making fun of it. The victim you are so quick to run a bus over and see ruined made the same joke as you did, but you still fail to see any irony or double standard in this.

And 1 sentence to refute your off-topic rant. Apparently newtboy and I differ from you in believing the historic racism and prejudices were BAD and should be ended rather than recycled against a new range of victims.

Your video, How Plastic Bottles Are Recycled Into Polyester, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

How Plastic Bottles Are Recycled Into Polyester has been added as a related post - related requested by notarobot on that post.

I'd gladly give our waste removal workers a thumbs up if they didn't keep leaving recycling all over my driveway/lawn (and my neighbour's driveway and his neighbour's, etc.) That grocery clerk who barely wants to say two words and practically throws the bags and my groceries at me - do they deserve a thumbs up too?

I get the point of this video, but if we just start complimenting or "giving a thumbs up" to everyone for every little minor thing, then doesn't that become just as empty as saying "have a nice day"?

And now there are even more weird ass chemicals in your water supply.....
(assuming your in a city that recycles the waste water).

Yeah, she's cool to watch. I am going to reuse my rare defected dead body for science and then recycle back to Earth for nature to take.

North American disposable culture rears its head again. Sad. ALWAYS RECYCLE!

Yep, recycle my body but scientists can check out my defected body for science first.

Good questions. My family operates farms for wheat and corn, and I've been involved in that process, so I can take a stab at answering the last bit:

Corn stalks get quite tall -- 6 feet / 2 meters or so. Each stalk usually has 1 or 2 ears of corn. On our farm, the experience I had suggests that each plant needs quite a lot of healthy leaves for Photosynthesis as well as quite a lot of available ground water. Irrigated corn often produces 2-3 times as many bushels per acre as compared to "dryland" / non-irrigated corn.

So the issues I can see potentially clashing between corn production and vertical farming are:

1) You'd have a greater space requirement for layers of corn since you'd need probably 8-10 feet per layer, as compared to what looks like 2-3 feet per layer for leafy vegetables in the video. Approximately one story per layer wouldn't allow for the massive footprint savings like in leafy plants without getting extremely tall, which would be expensive for water pumping etc.

2) Corn root systems are pretty deep to support a tall and relatively bulky stalk. Getting that to bite into a thin layer of fabric / recycled plastic to provide structural support for the plant would be difficult. I think you'd need to have a thicker bottom layer *and* to manually place further support lines on the stalks as the plants grow, which would get very labor intensive and therefore expensive.

3) The vertical nature of a corn stalk suggests that the overhead motion of the sun might be pretty important for getting light exposure onto all of the leaves. Fixed overhead lights might mean that the top leaves get plenty of light but the ones lower on the stalk would be shaded by those above and get nothing -- which isn't a problem if the sun progresses through low angles at sunrise/set to overhead at noon throughout a day. So you might have to have lighting that hits from all sides to account for that with corn, which would again add expense.

4) To maximize the output, corn needs a LOT of water. Pumping that up the vertical expanse to get lots of levels could easily get problematic. Corn will grow without optimal / abundant watering, and their misting system would likely be more efficient than irrigating to add ground water, but the main benefit of vertical farming seems to be high output in a small land footprint on the ground. So without LOTS of water, you'd be limiting that benefit.


So basically, my guess is that vertical farms are a fantastic idea for squat, spread out plants like lettuce, but a lot of the advantages disappear when you're talking about something tall like corn. I could easily be wrong about any/all of that though.

I'm weirded out by the fact that I'm nostalgic for my childhood watching a show that lasted 1965-1970... when my chilkdhood was in the 90s. Entertainment recycling is forever.

from the MSDA sheet
Waste treatment
Waste Disposal Methods
Dispose of in accordance with federal, state, and local regulations.
Contaminated packaging
Empty containers should be taken to an approved waste handling site for recycling or disposal

http://www.qtstools.com/TechInfo/MSDS_795-H.pdf

Yeah that's definitely a big part of the appeal, and I do hope this is a useful invention. Though there are lots of uses for spent grain already. It's a by product, but it seems like more of a commodity than a waste product.

http://modernfarmer.com/2015/08/recycled-brewery-waste/

http://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/sustainable-uses-of-spent-grain

@ahimsa

and now we move to stage two of the predictable vegan argument:

distinctions.


oh fuck me with a razor bladed dildo this is some tiring and facile shit.

look man,you are seriously missing my main point:
pretentious twattery and a morally and philosophically inconsistent stance.

so you can keep quoting anybody and everybody because it is apparent you really do not understand what you are quoting,and it is not adding anything to our discussion...at all.

maybe..
possibly..
just something to consider...
you approach expressing the values and benefits of being a vegan sans the self-righteousness,the pretension and condescension?

that maybe because YOU became a vegan for moral and ethical reasons,others may have come to it from other means and for other reasons,and allow those who are NOT vegan to come to their own conclusions and make their own choices?

and maybe not be so judgey mcjudgerface if they choose differently than you?

look man,we all do something that gives us the "feel goods".

some recycle obsessively,even though there is little evidence that actually makes a difference.

others drive a hybrid and feel that is their contribution,even though it is actually worse.

some will only buy organic and/or shop locally.(thats me btw)
and even though this brings some coin to the local farmers,taken on a whole it is barely a blip against the monster that is wal mart.

i have friends who do beach clean up every year,even though it gets destroyed within a month.

so we all try to do something that fits our perceptions of the world and how we can make it a better place.

and yes..if we ALL got together we could make a massive change in the current dynamics,not only locally but globally.

so i get it mate..i really do.

i guess what i am suggesting at it's core is this:
stop acting like a newly converted jehovahs witness who just wants us all to hear about your new buddy jesus.

i also think i should share that my long time girlfriend is vegan.
not your judgey,self righteous,pretenscious type vegan..but a vegan.

and that girl can't cook worth a damn.
which means that cooking falls on ME.
do i still eat meat?
yep,but not that often and rarely..raaarely red meat.
and to my girls credit she never gives me shit,i may get the upturned nose but never actual verbal shit.

red curry anyone?