By 3rd party do you guys mean Christian Conservatives like Pat Buchanan?

>> ^shuac:
In charge of the Senate?
I predict that if this becomes another "the McCain Camp Fucked Up Again" story, I'll bet they'll try to spin it this way:
Ms. Palin was merely trying to provide an answer that would make sense to a gradeschooler, per the interviewer's source.
Any takers?


Being the rapacious consumer of cable news I've become, I can report that Pat Buchanan made exactly that argument on Hardball tonight.

Well done sir.

Obama has plans to slash federal spending to the bone, and decrease government size and complexity. Im not seeing how you can equate that to a creation of a socialist state.

If what you say is true, Obama would be upfront about it. He's not, because he's either lying or delusional. In no way will this guy shrink government down...not saying McCain will either, but McCain won't expand it the way Barry will.

Colin Powell says it well, a re-evaluation of the taxation system is not socialism, its responsible governing. Lest you apply those same metrics to bush when he got in power and changed the way the tax system worked, then Obama is not a socialist.

Powell is a well-fed traitor to those to helped raise him up (all Republicans). The man was a mediocre general and knows nothing about economics, except he demands his speaking fees up front. He's a minor disappointment with a minor impact on the election.

Face it QM, the republicans have bought the nation on the brink of collapse, both economically and militarily by committing the nations forces to an ilegal, unjust, vague war, and de-regulating the economy and allowing greed to be the controlling factor in the market.

We WON the war in Iraq, which has a stable government. While it's true that Republicans became fat and lazy the past 8 years (spending like liberals on the back of 9-11) it was not "deregulation" that caused market collapses but shifting government force to other things, like Democrats forcing Fan/Fred to give loans to unqualified applicants. You can't blame the free market, because people are wisely frugal when it's their money being spent, but when Big Government backs up any losses, then people become like drunk gamblers in Vegas...with other peoples' money.

When the history pages are written, the past 8 years will doubtfully look kind on Bush and his administration, for their failed economic policy, their failed foreign policy, their failure to address katrina, their failure to be diplomatic with rogue-leaning nations, their failure to maintain basic infrastructure, their failure to keep some modicum of peace in the middle east, their failure to govern responsibly and impartially for EVERY american (and not just the rich republicans), their failure to address global warming, their failure on promoting good science.....on literally every level, the cons have failed to deliver progressing the nation, and the world over the past 8 years.

I have no doubt marxist professors at liberal-run universities (along with the MSM) will write all of the above, but they've never been right about anything, that's why they and their "theories" hide in universities instead of cutting their teeth in the real world. Slouching towards socialism isn't "progressive" to the rest of us. I know you can't believe me, you'll have to wait another 50 years when global warming has done nothing new.

Entanglement with churches, guns, gay rights, the annihilation of basic civil liberties...the list gos on.

A mantra that has little to back it up. I see no decrease in civil liberties for any American. Gays have more phony "rights" than ever. Liberals hate religion but guess what?--it's here to stay. Gun ownership was just confirmed as an individual right.

I dont understand how you can consistantly sit there and keep pushing the line that anyone not republican, is a terrorist / communist / socialist / generic-bad-guy, given the history of the past 8 years...just astounding how partisan you are.

The reality of the situation is this: you cannot have one-half of the population trying to go at it their own way, making mistakes and poor choices that are an inherent part of freedom and hopefully learning from them, and then have another half expecting the government to take care of them like they were children, and getting the monies to do so off the first group. Whether you know it or not, America is in the midst of a civil war of values. Republicans range in opinion from Ron Paul to Pat Buchanan, so "partisan" doesn't describe things so accurately.

And lets not even get me started on the topic of republican socialism with the bailout...seriously man, get a grip.

Of course it's wrong, but it's an aberration, and unfortunately, is mostly clean-up of Democrat-created messes. There will be blood in the Republican Party, but first, Marx must be defeated.

So not one person who posted here thinks Powell's endorsement was racially motivated.

I'm relieved.

The real racism is on the part of George Will and Pat Buchanan and people like them to even suggest such a thing.

Why would anyone give a shit what Pat Buchanan has to say?
If it was racially motivated, he would have done it long ago. Obama didn't turn black today.

Remember the liberal double standard:

Black person preferring or favoring another Black person because of race: supportive

White person preferring or favoring another White person because of race: racist

^ The above really has nothing to do with this post, I just thought you'd like to know, that I know how the liberal mind 'works'.


the mcain/palin mob video showcased rabid,potentially violent,ignorant and bigoted supporters leaving a mcain/palin rally.

You sure are reading a lot into those people; I'd say it was a case of projection. Also, the cameraman in my submission wasn't a provocative jackass like the one in the "Mob" sift.

Do you really believe that the alarming ignorance of these Obamites is less harmful or dangerous than spirited remarks from McCainites? Don't make the mistake of confusing Democrats with Republicans. Republicans range from Pat Buchanan to Ron Paul to liberals like Bush 43. Democrats all pretty much march in lockstep with Ted Kennedy.

The people "my" guy interviewed HAVE NO IDEA why they like Obama. Change? Well, a tire going from full to flat has "changed". Does that make it better?

It was a racist Black woman who said that bit about 1/2 Black = still Black, so why shoot the messenger?

Don't waste the Power Point or however it works, Joe Dirt, this never had a chance anyway on liberalsift.

aaaand who vetted that particular quote from her speech?

_________

"We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity", she said, a Pegler quote that also appeared in the book "Right From the Beginning" by Pat Buchanan.

She did not acknowledge Pegler by name, merely citing 'a writer'. The speech was written by Matthew Scully, a senior speech writer for George W. Bush.
_________

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_Pegler

they couldn't have just stuck with the gipper or something? another old chestnut about 'the party of lincoln' instead? wow. hank hill would've been an improvement!

then they just refer to him as "a writer" in her speech?

well, its funny the left is playing the games they used to accuse the far right of playing.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.

* Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.

* She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

* She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

* Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

* Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Wow, in 8 years of governance she's racked up THREE ethical scandals? I'd hate to think about what she would do as Vice fucking President.



Damn straight MG. But I think your tally of only three ethics scandals will probably be an understatement soon enough.

Pat Buchanan called McCain "Bush on steroids" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCnjBrueji4) on the Jan 22nd edition of "Hardball". So the even scarier question is if Palin is "Cheney on steroids"?

It seems that the Cheney/Palin comparison is much bigger than some think, especially considering the "special conference call" with the biggest oil execs in the state, just leaked today:
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/palin_requests_talks_with_oil_executives


I love this line:
"Nothing goes ahead unless Exxon is happy with it."

>> ^bealsubub:
I respect any man who calls another a charlatan. Good show old bean!


rofl

Pat Buchanan needs to go hide under a personhole cover.

I think if being a woman in politics matters so much, the female candidates should go bottomless throughout the debates. The best vag wins!

Those cupcakes sure are sugary.

Wait a second.

Wasn't Pat Buchanan just three days ago talking about what a horrible mistake it was to nominate Palin? Yes, and on MSNBC, Joe in the morning.

Oh yeah, that was before he discovered she was a "Buchanan girl".

Oh puke. I can't wait til Maddow's show starts.

Brick List!!

What is the Brick List, you ask? People who need to get whapped upside the head with a nice old Virginia brick.

Pat Buchanan: You've just made the Brick List!!

Here's the e-mail being sent out to the MoveOn-a-nites:

"Yesterday was John McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for "inexperience," here's who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.

Huh?

Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:


She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6
How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7
This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.

We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample:

She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK

She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK

As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK

Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK

She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK

I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK

So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares John McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced.

In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country.

In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family.

Thanks for all you do.

–Ilyse, Noah, Justin, Karin and the rest of the team

Sources:


1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-7654869-irR0vsx&t=1

3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-7654869-irR0vsx&t=2


4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-7654869-irR0vsx&t=3

5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-7654869-irR0vsx&t=4

6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-7654869-irR0vsx&t=5

"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-7654869-irR0vsx&t=6

"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-7654869-irR0vsx&t=7

7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-7654869-irR0vsx&t=8"

Hell, it's about time Pat Buchanan came out of the closet.