LulzSec posted this on their FB page, via Exarimus Salutem apparently, hold onto your shirts.

Money Received from Pipa Sponsors:

Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] $864,265
Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] $665,420
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D, NY] $556,525
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA] $544,424
Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT] $416,250 (head sponsor of pipa)
Sen. Michael Bennet [D, CO] $347,406
Sen. Roy Blunt [R, MO] $341,700
Sen. Robert Portman [R, OH] $337,525
Sen. Richard Burr [R, NC] $275,950
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA] $272,750

Money Received from Sopa Sponsors:

Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] $3,502,624
Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] $2,648,770
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D, NY] $2,080,651
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA] $1,431,843
Sen. Scott Brown [R, MA] $1,364,872
Sen. Robert Portman [R, OH] $1,363,009
Sen. Patrick Toomey [R, PA] $1,291,744
Sen. Michael Bennet [D, CO] $1,019,172
Sen. Mark Kirk [R, IL] $911,296
Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT] $905,310

@quantumushroom you missed the point as usual, this vid is about the acknowledgement that corporations want to oversee what the Govt. does - see above for specimen 1A.

>> ^qfan:

My point was that his condescending nature of religion makes him look like a hypocrite when he refers to a moral code, making him as "preachy" as those he slanders on a regular basis. It's not consistent.
Then he needs to define where this morality comes from. But that's another topic altogether.
>> ^Asmo:
>> ^qfan:
"You know what? Somebody has to bring up that there is a moral dimension to this." BM
What do you know? Someone who just plugged their staunchly anti-religious documentary, preaching about morals.

Morality does not require religion... Paedo priests are a classic example...
As for Bill, he even says outloud why PIPA/SOPA are useless... "Every time we took one of them down, another would pop up". So basically they can't stop them popping up but they (not Maher) were willing to take the risk of impinging on legitimate sites on an impossible mission.
He may be playing the devil's adovcate but he sort undermines any position he had there. He doesn't have figures on piracy vs purchase, he doesn't have figures on how many pirated and then purchased, he doesn't know if his movie was promoted to greater success due to personal piracy.
I wholeheartedly agree with shutting down piracy for profit, but personal privay is kinda like taping the radio, government's can't stop it and they shouldn't bother because it'll cost them more in the long run, and the media companies aren't picking up the tab...



I "think" he has addressed that, but I can't remember specifically where. I think more of his criticism of religion is centered on believing in magical entities despite a lack of evidence and how that opens people up to manipulation by others.

I wouldn't say it makes him a hypocrite on the subject of morality, but he certainly does have his own unsupported beliefs (such as his anti-vaccine stance... not sure if he changed it).

He also seems to be supporting SOPA with the mindset of "it's aimed at a real problem that affects me, so it sounds like something worth supporting". Again, he's believing in something despite not really understanding it, so you can make somewhat of a case for hypocrisy on those grounds.

My point was that his condescending nature of religion makes him look like a hypocrite when he refers to a moral code, making him as "preachy" as those he slanders on a regular basis. It's not consistent.

Then he needs to define where this morality comes from. But that's another topic altogether.

>> ^Asmo:

>> ^qfan:
"You know what? Somebody has to bring up that there is a moral dimension to this." BM
What do you know? Someone who just plugged their staunchly anti-religious documentary, preaching about morals.

Morality does not require religion... Paedo priests are a classic example...
As for Bill, he even says outloud why PIPA/SOPA are useless... "Every time we took one of them down, another would pop up". So basically they can't stop them popping up but they (not Maher) were willing to take the risk of impinging on legitimate sites on an impossible mission.
He may be playing the devil's adovcate but he sort undermines any position he had there. He doesn't have figures on piracy vs purchase, he doesn't have figures on how many pirated and then purchased, he doesn't know if his movie was promoted to greater success due to personal piracy.
I wholeheartedly agree with shutting down piracy for profit, but personal privay is kinda like taping the radio, government's can't stop it and they shouldn't bother because it'll cost them more in the long run, and the media companies aren't picking up the tab...

>> ^qfan:

"You know what? Somebody has to bring up that there is a moral dimension to this." BM
What do you know? Someone who just plugged their staunchly anti-religious documentary, preaching about morals.


Morality does not require religion... Paedo priests are a classic example...

As for Bill, he even says outloud why PIPA/SOPA are useless... "Every time we took one of them down, another would pop up". So basically they can't stop them popping up but they (not Maher) were willing to take the risk of impinging on legitimate sites on an impossible mission.

He may be playing the devil's adovcate but he sort undermines any position he had there. He doesn't have figures on piracy vs purchase, he doesn't have figures on how many pirated and then purchased, he doesn't know if his movie was promoted to greater success due to personal piracy.

I wholeheartedly agree with shutting down piracy for profit, but personal privay is kinda like taping the radio, government's can't stop it and they shouldn't bother because it'll cost them more in the long run, and the media companies aren't picking up the tab...

Maher should be told that the pictures and video he shows on his show, while used properly, under SOPA and PIPA, could be cause for shutting him down. Without probable cause OR warning.

His New Rules segments are especially vulnerable. All those copyrighted pictures.

But now when similar laws are brought up we'll be able to say "It's like SOPA/PIPA"

Which is something.

I didn't expect anyone in this community to agree with my different point of view. You are a brave Sifter!


>> ^Reefie:

It's somewhat difficult to debate common sense

The DNS control mechanism of implementing SOPA and/or PIPA policies needs to get some more full explanation to Joe Public. Everything that the Content groups, the MPAAs and RIAAs etc. have done has been fatally flawed in that it can at best delay casual piracy, and usually even that is circumvented almost instantaneously. From what I can see, policing DNS would do no better than their other historical efforts in that regard.

This guy mentions that you can still type in an IP address and get to an infringing site. Maybe I am wrong or don't understand the full situation, but I would go a step further and say that this practice would simply result in US-based DNS servers being immediately replaced by DNS providers in other nations that fail to tow the SOPA/PIPA line. Joe User would get a quick walkthrough of changing his DNS provider through router or software settings, everybody would scramble for a brief period of time, and then the "sanctions" could be fairly safely ignored.

When the *AA's realize that the legislation they purchased with massive "campaign contributions" has no teeth, they would probably push (as in, push more dollars into the hands of lobbyists) for legal penalties to infringing sites beyond being de-listed from (US-based) DNS. If *that* were to actually happen also, it would simply chase ALL internet hosting outside of the US. The US could threaten trade sanctions or whatever against countries that turn a blind eye to infringing, but there would be so much of it going on that everyone could just balk at it and we'd be blowing a whole lot of hot air with jack behind it.

I think that the mainstream media needs a somebody with the balls to stand up and say that the cat is out of the bag on "protecting" Intellectual Property. For better or worse, it just isn't going to happen. The first group that accepts that and moves towards some new model is going to be way ahead of the curve in comparison to these dinosaurs that are trying to stitch a broken balloon together with needle and thread.

>> ^oritteropo:

It didn't, I think @lucky760 fiddled with the apparent submit times as a fiddle to help avoid weirdness from the SOPA shutdown. For instance, a video submitted right on the time had no submit time at all until the lights came back on, and then everything in the queue showed incorrect submit times. It still did weird things to videos promoted just prior to the blackout, but I think that only affected the two I promoted so it's not a big deal (it's not far to the deadpool mines, is it?).
>> ^geo321:
That's weird. Why did this video go to the pq half a day early?



We gave all queued and Top 15 videos an extra 12 hours to compensate for the SOPA/PIPA downage. Time travel always has unintended side effects. This is why you must be careful not to cause a paradox.

Great Scott.

This is a list of all the US Senators and their stance concerning PIPA. Currently, there are 38 in support, 19 opposed, 7 leaning toward no, and 36 undecided. If you click a senator's name you can see their information, including the phone number of their office that you can call and voice your opinion. These offices WILL have someone answering the phones so I called both of my senators to tell them to vote no and was done in less than one minute.

http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/pipa#roll_call

Some more related stories on Mashable:

http://mashable.com/2012/01/18/sopa-not-over/

http://mashable.com/2012/01/18/artists-against-sopa/

http://mashable.com/2012/01/18/sopa-and-pipa-facebook/

>> ^darkrowan:

Like rats deserting the sinking ship: http://mashable.com/2012/01/18/pipa-sopa-abandon-bill/ (thank you @dotdude for linkage)

Like rats deserting the sinking ship: http://mashable.com/2012/01/18/pipa-sopa-abandon-bill/ (thank you @dotdude for linkage)

>> ^joedirt:

SOPA has been dropped. It won't be voted on until next year's session if they bring it up again. SOPA is legitimately dead. They will come back with lobbyists and sneak this through when the media isn't paying attention. Not sure is PIPA will be voted on.
There should still be a boycott though, if only to show them the power of the internet.
I wish we could use boycotts like this to accomplish something like withdrawing from Iraq...


@ant as well

SOPA is dead but PIPA is still alive and well, and in need of a boycott.

The boycott is still on acct to this link at reddit to protest the continued threat, I say GAME ON CONGRESS!!!

*promote

>> ^joedirt:

SOPA has been dropped. It won't be voted on until next year's session if they bring it up again. SOPA is legitimately dead. They will come back with lobbyists and sneak this through when the media isn't paying attention. Not sure is PIPA will be voted on.
There should still be a boycott though, if only to show them the power of the internet.
I wish we could use boycotts like this to accomplish something like withdrawing from Iraq...


http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/16/1457237/house-kills-sopa

SOPA could return in the future.