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simonm (Member Profile)

FISA Memo | Everything You Need To Know

newtboy says...

The entire thing is bias, not factual, or at best misleading because of intentional omission of fact. I can't say what fact is false if there's no fact. Opinion about perceived/alleged bias isn't factual.
A lie by omission is a lie. The whole thing is that kind of lie.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/feb/05/devin-nunes/nunes-memo-twists-james-comeys-words-steele-dossie/

The "unverified and salacious" (not wrong or debunked, mind you) part was personal accusations, you know, the golden showers with Russian hookers part, which was NOT used to get a warrant. He was clear that was not his opinion about the entire thing.

Yes, as I've told you at least twice now, I read it twice before commenting on it looking for anything in it and found nothing but biased whining. "Steele said bad things about Trump, so he's an untrustworthy liar" is hardly even an honest accusation, much less evidence he lied about anything, and farther from proof that this one piece in the puzzle of evidence against Trump's administration was key. One statement by one person taken out of context and misrepresented is not even an indication, much less proof that this was THE key bit of evidence, without which there was no case, but that's what this is all about. it was likely the most damning bit that tipped the scales from 'could just look bad' to 'this is something that needs investigation today'.
Recall, the continuing investigation already actually found criminal activity PROVEN, ADMITTED, AND CONVICTED.

As I've told you repeatedly, they (democrats , the fbi, and the DoD) tried to block it because 1) they wouldn't let the FBI screen it for secrets/classified information/pure lies and 2) republicans blocked (and continue to block) releasing the full story because it paints a completely different picture from the memo. Don't pretend to be so dumb you don't understand that.

Just keep saying bombshell, that will make it real...Jebus Christ.

I'm sure it is just the tip....of the ass fucking the Republicans are giving our democracy and system of checks and balances. What it's not is the tip of some insane conspiracy iceberg between liberals and top law enforcement.

Get your head out of your ass. No one is ever going after Obama or Clinton, as they committed no crimes, they've both been investigated with pure malice and bias for years and Republicans found nothing, this is just more nothing. It's almost funny you would even consider that, but it's actually sad you are that deluded you could keep thinking such nonsense after so many disappointments.

Really? A pure bias opinion piece from ' the hill' is your evidence? It was factless, logic free garbage that actually referenced Benghazi as one of Obama's prosecutable crimes, I'm dumber for having read it. You should feel shameful.

Clearly you don't recall that Obama's administration had zero convictions for misuse of power, zero indictments, how many has Trump's had already? 5? 6? 10? At least 4 high ranking members have been convicted or plead guilty already before year one or the first investigation is complete. Only Nixon's record was worse, and that only after he left office after Watergate.
Trump has by far the worst criminal conviction record for sitting administrations on record....by FAR!

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees

bobknight33 said:

You could not be more wrong ..
There was the bias in the memo? What fact was a false? Did you even read it?


If there was nothing to the memo why did ALL try to stop it?
Its a bombshell and just the tip of things to come.


Hillary/ Obama and many, many, and many others are going down..



http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/373379-federal-abuses-a-growing-blight-on-obamas-legacy

Trump Uses Nunes Memo to Attack Russia Probe: A Closer Look

bobknight33 says...

Trey Gowedy did read the FISA documents and did provide great incite in writing the Nunes memo.


Don't think there was any direct reading of any part of the memo from fake news outlets.


As for the memo::: Bombshell.::::::


Comey own words indicated that this dossier is “salacious and unverified."
McCabe testified “that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISA court without the Steele dossier information”

Yet both signed off to obtain / renew the FISA surveillance.

The fact that the FISA has to be renewed every 90 days and that top leadership ( FBI Director James Comey, McCabe,) and others. The fact that they had to re-sign off every 90 days makes this even worse.


James Comey signed three FISA applications
Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one.
Sally Yates, and Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

They all knew this was a bad document and this was for political reasons.

McCabe wife working for Global Fusion GPS worked on this steel document. McCabe’s wife received 500k for her political run from Hillary Clinton.

The Muller investigation was started due to this dossier. An un verified political slanted document.


Since this memo came out we find out that Hillary Clinton/DNC passed info to Steele to put in the dossier ..

newtboy (Member Profile)

bobknight33 says...

The market drop is not from the memo. The market is fine , slight pull back from explosive growth. Hoped you did some stock shopping Friday.

As for the memo::: Bombshell.::::::
Using the minimally verified Steele dossier that the Clinton/ DNC ,( started by the RNC) then gave to FBI/DOJ is fine with me. IF IT WERE TRUE.


According to the head of the FBI's counter intelligence division, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial
Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated.

The rubbing point is that the FBI/DOJ used this material supplied by Steele to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on an American citizen, Carter Page to indirectly to spy on Trump for political reasons.

Comey own words indicated that this dossier is “salacious and unverified."
McCabe testified “that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISA court without the Steele dossier information”

Yet both signed off to obtain / renew the FISA surveillance.

The fact that the FISA has to be renewed every 90 days and that top leadership ( FBI Director James Comey, McCabe,) and others. The fact that they had to re-sign off every 90 days makes this even worse.


James Comey signed three FISA applications
Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one.
Sally Yates, and Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

They all knew this was a bad document and this was for political reasons.

McCabe wife working for Global Fusion GPS worked on this steel document. McCabe’s wife received 500k for her political run from Hillary Clinton.

The Muller investigation was started due to this dossier. An un verified political slanted document.


This is just the starting point for the American people, as more info is put forth.

With respect to the FISA court itself-- they did their job. The information brought to the court is to be true and accurate.

newtboy said:

I want to hear your take on the memo....I know mine.

Do you, like me, see the stock market crash as a response to it? I feel like those CEO s that are banking on Trump's policies were horrified to see what was being presented as a defensive move, because there is nothing there. Zero. Nada. Zip. Even if the accusations are true, and they aren't as presented in it, there wasn't a thing there that violated FISA or normal procedures.

I'm really curious if you still think it's a smoking gun of some kind, and not just a whining note from a retiring sycophant with no fact or legal charge included....and if so, why and of what?

Trump's Shifting Story on Firing James Comey: A Closer Look

The Truth About Jerusalem

Mordhaus says...

We get it. It is a common campaign promise to get the Jewish vote/support and it is (until now) never executed.

Of course, Trump is trying to use it to divert attention from the severe problems he is having right now. He does this sort of thing. Look at how he was using the possibility of recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation, plus the arms sale, to tweak China over trade.

However, if you recall, the first questions about Flynn and his role were being asked by the FBI/Comey in December 2016. So, misdirection, get the news on something else, deal with Flynn (fired later), and get rid of Comey.

This has nothing to do with Israel and what they want. They are simply the tail being wagged.

Donna Brazile: HRC controlled DNC and rigged the primary

newtboy says...

So, there's no evidence any hack was by request, except that one, highly illegal hack where he repeatedly publicly requested a foreign country hack into and release to show his opponent used then for top secret info...meaning he also requested they hack and release that top secret info. Lucky for us all there wasn't any secret info in them....after thanking them for hacking the DNC on his behalf, and the Russians followed his direction to the letter. To me, that's pure unquestionable collusion in public intended to skew the election for the benefit of a hostile foreign power...or treason. Edit: his claim now that it was just a joke is as ridiculous as the spurned lover who hires a hitman, pays them, and revels in the murder claiming the instructions to murder were a joke. It just doesn't fly.

The email hack was not the first publicly known instance of Russian interference this election, sorry. It might be the first well known to the majority of the public, but there were many known "items" before that. Trump suggested they hack her servers and anywhere the missing emails might be because it was already well known they were hacking American systems on his behalf, clearly and repeatedly....also it was clear the FBI was investigating Trump in the final weeks of the election, but Comey didn't feel the need to tell the public about that, only about the baseless reopening of the Clinton investigation over not new evidence...WTF?

scheherazade said:

To be fair :

There is no evidence that any hack was by request (* The "Russia, find the 30'000 missing emails, and share them with the FBI" statement was in reference to the emails deleted from the private server - not DNC related). There is plenty self interest to motivate such a hack without anyone asking for it. Especially if the hacker's election favorite is Trump.

The election interference rhetoric started when the email hack was the only item blamed on the Russians.

-scheherazade

A Fair Summation of the Comey Testimony

Rubio VS Comey: The altimate summary to Comeys testimony.

siftbot says...

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Rubio VS Comey: The altimate summary to Comeys testimony.

Januari says...

"Every political leader new Trump was not udder investigation and yet Comey would not admit it till this hearing. Shameful."

Trump approved...

Personally i agree!... a new Trump... maybe Jr. should lead the charge on a vigorous udder investigation!... its about damn time we look into this!

Diogenes (Member Profile)

Senator McCain's Bizarre Questioning To James Comey

newtboy says...

The difference being, the Clinton investigation was completed, the Russian one was just starting. If he had exonerated Clinton at the outset, ok, fair point, but he didn't....then the non story of "New" emails that weren't new made him "correct" his previous statement, then correct the idea that anything new was found. Those mistakes together harmed his reputation badly. Thrice bitten, twice shy...I think that was Comey's position, and it makes sense to me.

The question of obstruction was taken out of his hands by Trump, it's improper for him to give his, now, uninformed opinion which might contradict the continuing investigation.

Briguy1960 said:

What I was trying to get at was whether Mr. Comey believes that any of his interactions with the president rise to the level of obstruction of justice. In the case of Secretary Clinton’s emails, Mr. Comey was willing to step beyond his role as an investigator and state his belief about what ‘no reasonable prosecutor’ would conclude about the evidence. I wanted Mr. Comey to apply the same approach to the key question surrounding his interactions with President Trump — whether or not the president’s conduct constitutes obstruction of justice,” McCain said in the statement.

This is what I got from it but I was forgiving of his way of making this point.

The double standard but yes he was not in his prime there lol

Senator McCain's Bizarre Questioning To James Comey

Briguy1960 says...

What I was trying to get at was whether Mr. Comey believes that any of his interactions with the president rise to the level of obstruction of justice. In the case of Secretary Clinton’s emails, Mr. Comey was willing to step beyond his role as an investigator and state his belief about what ‘no reasonable prosecutor’ would conclude about the evidence. I wanted Mr. Comey to apply the same approach to the key question surrounding his interactions with President Trump — whether or not the president’s conduct constitutes obstruction of justice,” McCain said in the statement.

This is what I got from it but I was forgiving of his way of making this point.

The double standard but yes he was not in his prime there lol

newtboy said:

Not at all.
Besides confusing names repeatedly, he could not grasp the difference between Comey announcing the Clinton email investigation was over, with no charges pending, and the continuing investigation over Russian involvement in the election. He repeatedly accuses Comey of giving Clinton a pass, saying she's been cleared...'but the Russian probe is still going, so how is she cleared and Trump isn't?' He simply can't understand they are two separate cases, and Clinton was involved in both....as the victim in the latter. She was NEVER a suspect in the Russian interference investigation, but everyone near Trump still is, with more connections coming to light weekly (despite their denials and efforts to hide them).

If he were younger, people would be accusing him of being high or in the midst of a total mental breakdown, not just being tired and old.

Senator McCain's Bizarre Questioning To James Comey

newtboy says...

Not at all.
Besides confusing names repeatedly, he could not grasp the difference between Comey announcing the Clinton email investigation was over, with no charges pending, and the continuing investigation over Russian involvement in the election. He repeatedly accuses Comey of giving Clinton a pass, saying she's been cleared...'but the Russian probe is still going, so how is she cleared and Trump isn't?' He simply can't understand they are two separate cases, and Clinton was involved in both....as the victim in the latter. She was NEVER a suspect in the Russian interference investigation, but everyone near Trump still is, with more connections coming to light weekly (despite their denials and efforts to hide them).

If he were younger, people would be accusing him of being high or in the midst of a total mental breakdown, not just being tired and old.

Briguy1960 said:

I didn't get that at all from watching it but maybe it was the title that had me on the lookout for clear signs.
Sure he fumbled with the pres and comey bit but other than that he was simply sticking to his point until he hopefully squeezed out some answers.
People misspeak a word or two all of the time in these things.
If he were younger one wonders what the fuss would be all about.

Senator McCain's Bizarre Questioning To James Comey

Briguy1960 says...

I didn't get that at all from watching it but maybe it was the title that had me on the lookout for clear signs.
Sure he fumbled with the pres and comey bit but other than that he was simply sticking to his point until he hopefully squeezed out some answers.
People misspeak a word or two all of the time in these things.
If he were younger one wonders what the fuss would be all about.



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