'Cept for one major difference. I stopped being a demagogue in middle school.

I wasn't commenting on the viewpoint. I was commenting on the tactic.

We'll keep having this fight until both sides learn to have honest discussions and get down to the real issues and disagreements behind it all. If public discourse can attain a sliver of intellectual honesty, then we all have hope.

>> ^bareboards2:

Here's how controversies work -- this comment works for both sides of the issue.
This is why we will probably be fighting about this the rest of human history....
>> ^braindonut:
Shamefully disgusting.

I just thought I'd point out that I've ran my main computer (of course I'm a hardware geek, so I know my stuff--no conflicts is another way to put it) for 4 years on Vista SP2 64-Bit WITHOUT ONE CRASH (this is a: on for 24/7 as it acts as a media server and Windows Media Center Extender-provider)! Now I'm on Win 7 64-Bit and same deal, nothing, no problems, no crashes, and I have my fair share of peripherals plugged in.

People need to realize that somewhere towards the end of Vista and into Windows 7 Microsoft has taken their crappy old software and made it work extremely well, considering what it has to do. It has drivers for virtually everything and if your a scientist, engineer, or something similar you're using Windows for this very reason: Windows will recognize your device and allow you to write a driver to let you do whatever you need it to do; easily!

People are afraid to switch out Windows XP. They're expecting to go through all the hassle only to get the same crap. But, Windows 7 is definitely a new breed of design for Microsoft. You can tell the old guys must have been canned or given an epiphany inducing lashing by Bill: Bill was retired from production for a long time, but when Vista came out, it literally pissed him off (as he was trying to use it himself) and there was a big bust-up/fight internally; so in a way I'm glad Vista started out as a complete and utter piece of crap that performed as well as a brick in a GrandPrix race. It led to Windows 7 and the service packs that made Vista very usable.

Again, back to why Windows IS successful even when it was crashing... You can right your own driver AND IT WORKS. Now days it works great, and the development software is pretty straight forward and is fairly good. That is the one thing he should point out in the video is the extremes Microsoft went to (and still does), to get an OS that would do everything. Yeah, it crashed and was buggy, but realistically you won't be running your new hardware on a MacOS. People with MacOS's (in the past especially) are one trick pony users. They do music or they do art. They don't need a virtual driver that supports incoming data from a USB blender/centrifuge that will let you write a program using the driver to tamper with the spin and modulation rate of the device while getting real-time data updates. Hell, the roving "Doppler on Wheels" uses Windows for this very reason.

Microsoft takes a lot of flak, but they filled their role very well and I was never surprised that it was buggy (however, I'll totally agree that the initial version of Vista was a complete an utter joke--like I said I didn't get it till they had their second service pack and had great user feedback; especially, since I went 64-bit).

Windows 7 though IS the OS to use or some sort of Linux distribution. But, with the great support built in, right off the bat (this time) and the easy to make drivers for developers and hardware vendors, it's getting hard to find a reason to not use it other than: "I hate Windows and/or Bill Gates".

Thought I'd write this bit if people didn't know the story or reasons why the latest Windows have changed direction so drastically.

There's obviously a lot of arguments in the controversy, but basically what yogi said. There is a point or really a sliding scale, where a fetus becomes a person. Hell, you might even argue that a living baby under a certain age wasn't really a person yet, except in the minds of the rest of us, but that's taking it to an obvious extreme.

Aborting a fetus is not murdering a baby. Swatting a fly is not murder either.

You can also argue that it's gonna happen so we should make it easier (although it's still not easy, obviously) and more humane for the mother. She is the one making a hard choice. I would argue the same about euthanasia - if you really, really want to kill yourself and are of sound mind, then you shouldn't have to jump in front of a train or something similarly grizzly, a drug that makes you sleep and expire is far more humane for the one who wants to die.
>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bobknight33:
Humane .... Are you fucking kidding?
Murdering helpless babies is Humane? Humane is manning up and take responsibility for you actions.
>> ^gwiz665:
Don't they really, really miss the mark with this ad? I mean, if you take away the planned parenthood, then we'll go back to the dark ages of coat hangers - much more like a blender, compared to a more "humane" approach.


It's a Fetus...there's a nice big line drawn by Your God that defines the difference between a Fetus and a Baby...it's called Birth. Before birth you can have an abortion and that's not killing a baby because it fucking ain't one.

>> ^bobknight33:

Humane .... Are you fucking kidding?
Murdering helpless babies is Humane? Humane is manning up and take responsibility for you actions.
>> ^gwiz665:
Don't they really, really miss the mark with this ad? I mean, if you take away the planned parenthood, then we'll go back to the dark ages of coat hangers - much more like a blender, compared to a more "humane" approach.



It's a Fetus...there's a nice big line drawn by Your God that defines the difference between a Fetus and a Baby...it's called Birth. Before birth you can have an abortion and that's not killing a baby because it fucking ain't one.

Humane .... Are you fucking kidding?

Murdering helpless babies is Humane? Humane is manning up and take responsibility for you actions.

>> ^gwiz665:

Don't they really, really miss the mark with this ad? I mean, if you take away the planned parenthood, then we'll go back to the dark ages of coat hangers - much more like a blender, compared to a more "humane" approach.

Next they'll try to make me feel bad for even having sex in the first place!!!

Oh wait...
WAIT

NEXT they'll try to make me feel bad for jerking off!!!

oh wait...
wait...

NEXT NEXT NEXT they'll try to make me feel bad for even thinking about women, you know want me to really get involved with the church and stay celibate to the point that I'm driven to molest altar boys!!!

oh wait...
Oh well, start up the blender I guess.

Here's how controversies work -- this comment works for both sides of the issue.

This is why we will probably be fighting about this the rest of human history....

>> ^braindonut:

Shamefully disgusting.

>> ^BoneRemake:
They should of put the baby in the blender.


Yea, why would they make an indirect analogy, when they could just go more direct?

They should of put the baby in the blender.

Don't they really, really miss the mark with this ad? I mean, if you take away the planned parenthood, then we'll go back to the dark ages of coat hangers - much more like a blender, compared to a more "humane" approach.

All thats missing is a few melting owls in the background, a blender, three socks and joe the plumber.

Wait, that may be pushing the art to far. MamorTromboDiMaskArtDecor has to remain subtle.

>> ^probie:

I have a feeling this will sell like hotcakes to the gaming crowd who are sick of the endless parade of WWII/modern warfare FPS's. (ahem - raises hand)
As I said on Bluesnews:
My fingers are crossed for zany, crazy deathmatch again. Enough with the military shooters. I want dildo bombs, portable holes, shotguns that fire C4-tipped flechettes and a weapon they affectionately call "the Blender".


Let's not forget the laser tripmines and the shrinker and the freeze-ray

I have a feeling this will sell like hotcakes to the gaming crowd who are sick of the endless parade of WWII/modern warfare FPS's. (ahem - raises hand)

As I said on Bluesnews:

My fingers are crossed for zany, crazy deathmatch again. Enough with the military shooters. I want dildo bombs, portable holes, shotguns that fire C4-tipped flechettes and a weapon they affectionately call "the Blender".

Do not taunt the nuclear razorblades after they have learned to throw sharp pointy objects with a degree of accuracy.

And why the hell are the crazy ones so much better in bed......

She has the Abilities of a blender and emotional stabilizability of a pcp addict. Good times!

True story, Dated a red head for a couple of years. I was working Hazmat response to a large corporations computer chip manufacturing plant. After being at work for about 36 hours do to rather nasty accident. I went home. No one was living with me at the time and I had not given her a key yet so I closed and locked the door put the chain on it. Took a long shower and crashed. A couple of hours later I felt her snuggle up to me and I thought how nice. Then It hit me. I live on the damn 5th floor and the only way in to the apt was to climb up the balcony's outside. I swear I hit the ceiling when I jumped out of bed...

>> ^Engels:

So, assuming its real (why not), why would someone spend the resources to render fruit and rocks. It just seems a rather odd and frankly, boring choice.


because to get these sorts of shots with a camera requires , meticulousness set up and loads of time doing things repeatedly to get the end result. If you are an animator or have moderate industry exsperance with doing comercail 3d work this sort of thing is probably faster to do in CG than with a camera. it depends on your skill set and equipment to hand as to which approach you would take.

stuff like the water effects and fluid physics are easer to do with software (if you have a very specific desired result) and there are many plug ins that will do a good job of this.

People are over hyping the technicality of modaling and texturing and rendering these objects , its really not that hard to model texture and animate this stuff (if you work in 3d day to day) the key things the guy has got spot on are lighting , composition and editing.

If you are intrestead in general CG stuff check out http://forums.cgsociety.org/
also check out 3ds max , XSI , blender , cinima 4d and Adobe After Effects CS5.