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Need More Proof That The Music Industry Is Fake? Here You Go

Fairbs says...

I found it really disappointing that Bob Mould autotuned on a recent album. A buddy of mine said I should give it a chance because it's really good, but there's so much other music out there, I think I'll pass (at least for now). I guess he's trying to embrace the new...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ0ZEpJRpAE

In a similar vein, I recently found The Orwells online and thought they were really good. Decided to invest in a ticket when they came around and oh my are they awful live.

ChaosEngine said:

Whole thing gets a giant "meh" from me. Pop music is fake? Wow, we only found that out 50 years ago with the Monkees.

If you want real music, there's plenty out there, it's just not in the charts.

Need More Proof That The Music Industry Is Fake? Here You Go

Payback says...

Also, to be fair, when someone doesn't have a loop back of their voice, and there's tons of sound so they can't hear themselves directly, it's like a deaf person singing. Britney IS singing. This would not be accurately described as lip-sync as in the Milli Vanilli crap. This is definitely "overdubbing" with the second track being edited out. Also, as she knows her voice isn't actually being amplified, she's not really trying. This isn't an Autotuned performance either.

What really blew my mind was finding out Lil' John can actually sing. Sing REALLY well actually. He uses Autotune as an art device, bizzarely.

Jinx said:

Whaaaaaaaat? You mean that Britney wasn't singing live while jumping around the stage under hot lights for an hour and a bit without being able to hear your voice at all?

Need More Proof That The Music Industry Is Fake? Here You Go

Jinx says...

Whaaaaaaaat? You mean that Britney wasn't singing live while jumping around the stage under hot lights for an hour and a bit without being able to hear your voice at all? Scandal!

I can barely talk after doing that sort of exercise, never mind sing. You can bemoan that her stage shows are more about dancing and spectacle than the music, but I think that says more about her fans expectations than her ability as a singer.

Autotune annoys me because it's indicative of an obsession with the voice. My favorite pop artist at the moment, Sia, happens to be a great singer, but I think I like her music not just because of the way her voice cracks but also because I know that she penned the lyrics and melody. If I found out she autotuned parts of her album I don't really think I'd care.

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Xaielao says...

Gotta give an age for a video with no adult content, then watch a fucking political add to watch this clip. And you wonder why nobody uses your piece of shit website Hulu!

On subject, this kind of thing is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE with modern software. Autotune is just the most notorious of the bunch. It was an episode with a lot of smart humor (as usual) mixed in with a lot of fart jokes.. you know, typical south park lol.

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RFlagg says...

I don't know. I know Gorillaz did the Grammy Awards in 2006 with Madonna. It looks these days they don't worry about the animation when they tour, more or less a background thing with the real performers front stage. Of course they have real performers, where Hatsune Miku's singing is done by a computer program as well, not just autotuned to be her. I'd think they had to appear on shows as the animated form though before...

Yogi said:

Did Gorillaz ever do any of these shows? I'm wondering because they did concerts where the cartoons were projected onto a screen.

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SquidCap says...

There are times when the out off tune take will actually be better than on tune. It may have more emotions whereas the on-tune part can sound a bit cold, emotionless. Happens a lot when singer is focusing on keeping it in tune. Autotuning when used correctly can bring out the best of both, emotions and tune. Personally when i'm recording someone, i try to emphasize the emotion and don't care for slight mistakes "just let it rip, will fix the tuning later".

Also, when you take pretty much any singer, record them for hours, some bits will be totally off. Take the best singer you can think of and with 100% certainty you could post clips of them being just horrible. With Britney and a like, there is some money to be made from those so we hear the leaked clips more often.

This one wasn't even that bad, just a bit out of tune here and there. Go and find David Lee Roths vocal tracks and they are just horrible, one would really have to think how on earth he is even considered to a be a lead singer. Put the original track with the rest of the band on: brilliant.

It's about context, if you take any vocal track and solo them, they are pretty awful compared to the finished song. For singers it's a nightmare in studio, you can make them cry, hell, with proper evil, you can make them quit music forever in a single session. That's why you usually never present takes back to them solo, you just fade other tracks down a bit, put some room reverb etc.

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Fairbs says...

Manufactured music has pretty much always been awful. They just promote the crap out of it and once it hits a critical mass, it's all over.

Personally, I don't really care if a singers voice isn't great. A fairly well know example would be Bob Dylan. It's the passion or the message that is important to me. I actually think most of the music I like has pretty lackluster singers. Primus, Superchunk, Dinosaur Jr. come to mind. And then there's bands like the Pixies who have great vocals and the passion.

Autotune should be banned except for Karaoke where it should be mandatory.

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SquidCap says...

It's not autotune on Shanias channel, i would dare to say zero correction (listen to the end of lines where her compulsory "yeahs" are, no autotune can follow those..) On the backup singer channel, could be or she is just one of those incredibly "flat" singers that have the ability to not use even a slightest vibrato (meaning, very very good backup singer, almost too good technique.. ) But it's totally flat, meaning, autotune can be used. But you or i can not hear the difference unless we hear that channel separated, in the mix not a chance in hell you can say without doubt for one way or the other..

Even i don't really like her or the music, she is quite good singer in the first place, doesn't actually need any correction but i'm 100% sure all of her albums since 2000 have been autotuned but then it's more detailed, programmed over time to sound natural perfection (each phrase is done seperately, there are deliberate out-off-tune bits etc. which happens on every record, yes, even those metal ones you listen cause of originality. Especially metal albums these days are the most heavily touched and processed after "Britney" department..)

On-the-fly auto tuning has serious drawbacks compared to off-line auto tuning. Basically, "live" autotunes are Kanye West type super duper obvious ones. In this clip, main vocals are definitely real.

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JustSaying says...

Can somebody explain to me how anyone can seriously think this is racist? Because the dancers are black? Are you kidding?
The only offensive thing in this video is the autotune.



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