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Most vocals you hear are fake

criticalthud says...

shiiiit. sure everything is stitched together. that's the modern digital audio workstation (DAW).
What folks don't realize is that Anteres Autotune is THE standard in the studio. Every pop star and song gets their dose.
That, ultra compression on everything and ultra repetition in production, gone are the days of creamy analog bliss by good musicians, performing a well-written song actually written by the artists.
Now everything is done post-production, and Autotune is 'the sound' of today's pop. The writing is done by teams of "producers" who have mastered today's pop sound and format.

And then LAWYERS.
For hip hop, in the 2000's lawyers began suing the shit out of anyone who sampled old stuff. Today, an artist can use samples, but they must PAY quite a bit. So, only artists with labels behind them can AFFORD to sample. Hence, Bruno Mars can sample everything, and steal everything, then autotune the shit out of it. And wha-laa - he's got a super-produced, money-backed hit where his producers just copy the shit out of everyone.
And in the end, Bruno Mars is the P.F. Changs of music - white appropriation all-dressed up, pre-packaged and sold.

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It's not just Autotune - how singers cheat today(Pop Theory)

Sagemind says...

Disclaimer - my comments are based on this one video. I don't actually know him, I'm sure he's a great guy. If I interpreted his intent here incorrectly, then his script may need some work. It seems to me he's endorsing autotune (though, why, I have no idea).
Remember Niel Young's quote when he was told he was slightly off key. His retort was: "That's my style, man"
You don't need to be on-key to sing well and make hits. You need to be genuine and you need to work at it.

It's not just Autotune - how singers cheat today(Pop Theory)

Sagemind says...

I was with him for the first part.
And it's not that I can't take him seriously because of his hair - I found it very distracting to take singing critique from a Bieber look-alike...
He lost me when he says, "Even though your favorite artists probably cheats a bit in the studio, try to remember that tracks that you love by them might not have existed without this technology speeding up their workflow."

First, I think people like T-pain, Kanye, and Drake are most of what is wrong with the music industry today. So they definitely are NOT my favorite artists. Honestly, I refuse to call them artists. Artists hone their skills through tireless hours, years and dedication. Something these people don't do. (Hence the need for Autotune)

His point is exactly the point. Without Auto-tune, we wouldn't have these songs because they are utter garbage. It's Auto-tune that is the star, not the personas "behind the curtain."

And also, there is no fast track to learning skills. Yes, as he states, "speeding up their workflow" is just that. Workflow. This means it helps them produce tons of this crap without ever improving their skills, because they don't need to. They just need to rapidly produce song after song, while waiting for the one that is the most catchy to stick in people's minds. Then the conglomerate of industry leaches will pick it it up in hopes they all generate a few bucks from it. Meaning, they get radio play for producing crap song, after crap song.

Sorry to rant here, but pick up an instrument, learn to play. Learn how to sing, learn to hit a note. Entrance us with your skills and abilities. Seduce us with abilities that impress us. Gain our respect with your talents.

The guy in this video is just as fake as a Bieber look-alike, and while he starts to point out that they are3 cheating, he ends by enabling them showing us how great Lois's recorded voice sounds like once Frankensteined. This is not okay.

Note: I'm posting this comment to the YouTube video as well

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shagen454 says...

Don't want to be that guy espousing "it's Photoshopped" - but, I never trust these video game freakouts. Many of the most popular ones were staged... remember that kid that shoved a shoe up his butt due to WoW, then people remixed and autotuned the shit out of it? Leeroy Jenkins? All that shit was staged for views. Though, I still like re-watching that Leeroy Jenkins bit, that's a classic, regardless!

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Jinx says...

I think the idea is to set fire to your own property so you can be interviewed, put on youtube and eventually autotuned. Most views wins.

artician said:

Is there some competition that I don't know about?

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iaui says...

I fully agree. It's a good rendition and does the original song justice but the voice is just too autotuned for my tastes. And the whole arrangement is too... pretty. There's no 'live' feeling to it. It's just his voice and a bunch of perfect instrumentals. Like he's singing to a midi track or something.

Edit: part of what bugs me about autotuning voices is that they're actually tuned to the wrong notes, ie. equal temperament instead of the just temperament a good singer sings naturally. There's the whole bit about voice ability but if they just tuned it to the right notes I'd be happy... or at least happier...

eric3579 said:

Sounds nice as its a beautiful song but pales in comparison to the way Simon and Garfunkel did the original. The feel of the song is hardly comparable with just how moving the original is done. Also just my opinion ...and of course im probably biased to some extent.

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Batman Good Or Bad Debate (Hank and John Green) Songified

ChaosEngine says...

John is kinda right in that yeah, real life Batman would be a complete asshole and utterly pointless.

However, John Green wrote The Fault In Our Stars which gives everyone a one time only "You wrote The Fault In Our Stars and are therefore Wrong" card.

I choose to play that now, because Batman is Fucking Awesome(tm).

Also upvote for the two videos in the comments. Autotuned arguments are the devil!

Need More Proof That The Music Industry Is Fake? Here You Go

Asmo says...

When you raise people up to be gods, they must become infallible. Hence autotune. Look at retouching for big stars in bluray or 4k rez to ensure every minute imperfection is covered up... The audience demands infallibility. You do a full dance routine, you're likely to be huffing and puffing by the end of it. I doubt even the fittest of "pop stars" could manage that. It's understandable that even long term stars who have real talent have gotten lazy.

Then there are just manufactured twats who can't sing worth shit but look the part. Nothing new there, can't believe people fall for it...

Live music is where it's at, give me a cover band belting out Wildflower by the Cult in a pub any day, or the recording of Faith No More at Brixton. They are real performances, they have stuff ups (Patton bungling one of the last verses of War Pigs for example) and that doesn't matter a lick because you're getting The Real Thing (/grin).



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