Stephen Colbert: Super Reagan

(youtube) Fox News' Bill O'Reilly has spent much of the last week simultaneously arguing in favor of U.S. strikes in Syria and criticizing President Obama for not forcibly removing Bashar al-Assad from power, as he suggests President Ronald Reagan would have done were he still alive and in office. But on The Colbert Report, Stephen Colbert told O'Reilly he must not be thinking of "old" President Reagan but rather "hypothetical, contemporary Super Reagan."

Colbert suggested Obama should be watching Fox News to "tell him what he should have done" on Syria, or rather, "who he should have been." After playing some of biggest Fox News Reagan name-drops from the past week, Colbert explained, "We conservatives have an uncanny ability to know what Ronald Reagan would do at any given time." Of course, that special sense only covers what Reagan would do today, not back in the 1980′s when he "looked the other way" when Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against Iranian troops and his own Kurdish citizens.

No, O'Reilly must have meant "Super Reagan," who "never raised taxes, or tripled the deficit, and who knocked down the Berlin Wall using his nut sack as a wrecking ball."
Yogisays...

The deification of Reagan is pretty hilarious considering he probably didn't even know what his policies were half the time. His job was to say whatever his people told him to say, everyone knew that.

It still shocks me how you can tell people the truth or they can find it for themselves and they'll still think Reagan was an amazing genius.

siftbotsays...

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VoodooVsays...

nevermind the fact that Reagan could never run as a republican today. He'd be too moderate by today's standards.

You're exactly right, he's been deified. They know it can never happen so they keep attaching all these impossibly lofty ideals to him that no one could live up to.

cosmovitellisays...

Reagan was just the first stooge hired by the remnants of the Nixon administration. (By Bush Snr {his head of the CIA}, Donald Rumsfeld {2nd in command of the CIA} & Dick Cheney {3rd in command of the CIA}).

Literally an actor. And a 3rd rate cowboy actor at that (only for domestic & retarded audiences).

BTW Dubya was next & a gift to these fellas, none of them dumb enough to be the man out front making excuses.

They decided that a few million dead kids was fine if it swelled the family pile by 20%. Vietnam, East Timor, Iran Chile etc etc etc etc
.....Does anyone really know how much bank Cheney made from the slaughter/'rebuilding' in Iraq? A billion? 10 billion? 100 Billion? Will any American ever ask? Guess not.

In the future analysis of this time, these men will be held up worse that than Hitler, Stalin & Genghis Khan for sure. Their crimes are comparable in every way (especially the massive piles of dead kids) but without the personal trauma to explain psychosis. The US government of the last 50 years consists of the richest, fattest, most privileged men ever to live in millions of years of humanity, and yet they've committed the worst crimes of all time. Millions dead, crippled, traumatized, orphaned.
Is it their fault or the fault of those around them who do nothing or worse; cheer?

chingalerasays...

Well damn cosmo, you've painted that picture resembling the military coop Ike warned the world about in 61'-Fifty-two years later and the hydra keeps sprouting heads while the citizenry seem to grow duller and dimmer as to how to proceed-Wait too long and we'll all be told exactly how and where to proceed.

ChaosEnginesays...

Reagan, Bush et al were certainly not nice guys, but try to keep a sense of perspective. They are not in anyway comparable to Hitler, Stalin or Genghis Khan.

If you're going to make statements like that, you need to back up your argument with some facts.

cosmovitellisaid:

In the future analysis of this time, these men will be held up worse that than Hitler, Stalin & Genghis Khan for sure. Their crimes are comparable in every way (especially the massive piles of dead kids) but without the personal trauma to explain psychosis. The US government of the last 50 years consists of the richest, fattest, most privileged men ever to live in millions of years of humanity, and yet they've committed the worst crimes of all time. Millions dead, crippled, traumatized, orphaned.
Is it their fault or the fault of those around them who do nothing or worse; cheer?

st0nedeyesays...

Regimes supported

Juan Vicente Gomez, Venezuela, 1908-1935.
Jorge Ubico, Guatemala, 1931-1944.
Fulgencio Batista, Republic of Cuba 1952-1959.
Syngman Rhee, Republic of Korea (South Korea), 1948-1960.
Rafael Trujillo, Dominican Republic, 1930-1961.[citation needed]
Ngo Dinh Diem, Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), 1955-1963.
Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Iran, 1953-1979.
Anastasio Somoza Garcia, Nicaragua, 1967-1979.
Military Junta in Guatemala, 1954-1982.
Military Junta in Bolivia, 1964-1982.[citation needed]
Military Junta in Argentina, 1976-1983.
Brazilian military government, 1964-1985.
François Duvalier and Jean-Claude Duvalier, Republic of Haiti, 1957-1971; 1971-1986.[citation needed]
Alfredo Stroessner, Paraguay, 1954-1989.[citation needed]
Ferdinand Marcos, Philippines, 1965-1986.[8][9]
General Manuel Noriega, Republic of Panama, 1983-1989.
General Augusto Pinochet, Chile, 1973-1990.
Saddam Hussein, Republic of Iraq, 1982-1990.
General (military), Suharto Republic of Indonesia, 1975-1995.
Mobutu Sese Seko, Zaire/Congo, 1965-1997.
Hosni Mubarak, Egypt, 1981-2011.
Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, Kingdom of Bahrain, 2012.
Saudi royal family, 2012.
Islam Karimov, Uzbekistan, 1991-2012.[10]
Meles Zenawi, Ethiopia, 1995-2012.[11]
Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, Equatorial Guinea, 2006-2012.[12]

cosmovitellisays...

The controlling group of men who made the decisions on Vietnam thru to Iraq, with all the bombing, drug running, kidnapping, sponsoring of death squads, torture and mass slaughter of civilians (not to mention spraying toxins on poor ghettos at home, shooting student protestors etc etc.) are in the same league. Start with the 'terror bombing' of Hiroshima and Nagasaki if you like (Curtis LeMay's words not mine). The Bush family were in from the start.

If you take this as a 'Regime', then the numbers are right up there and, as stated, operating from a dramatically more comfortable position. The historical villains mentioned all had backgrounds that any psychiatrist would ring alarm bells about and their societies were in tatters when they came to power.
But Dubya for example? Privileged draft dodging frat boy living in the most comfortable place and time in all of human history.. how many did he kill in a deceptive money grab? Oh yeah, they 'don't count dead babies'. Even the hawks are conceding its in the millions now, and that's just the last 10 years of near 70..

ChaosEnginesaid:

Reagan, Bush et al were certainly not nice guys, but try to keep a sense of perspective. They are not in anyway comparable to Hitler, Stalin or Genghis Khan.

If you're going to make statements like that, you need to back up your argument with some facts.

ChaosEnginesays...

@cosmovitelli, I'm still not seeing any hard facts from you. Yes, those are all awful things, but you are alleging that these people are demonstrably worse than Hitler (systematically killed at least 6 million Jews, arguably responsible for the largest conflict the world has ever seen), Stalin (murdered, tortured and deported .... well, no-one knows, but estimates range from 3 to 60 million) and Genghis Khan (killed a sizeable percentage of the worlds population at the time).

Also, you are aggregating the acts of every US president since Truman vs the acts of 3 individuals.

That's an extraordinary claim, and I think you need to provide some facts and figures to back it up.

bmacs27says...

Are you being pedantic for any good reason? Hyperbole can be useful. The fact is, we don't fully know the extent of atrocities committed by American Empire. As you know, history is written by the victors. What little we do know suggests we could be the worst global offenders over the last 30 years. We imprison our citizens at a higher rate than any other nation. We engage in more wars, and have clandestine involvement in still more (estimates vary, but on the high end the figures are staggering). We provide the means of oppression to brutal despots to retain trade advantages. We manipulate the global economy, potentially starving millions, just to collect on our loans. We rationalize the torture of our enemies. We treat sovereignty like a worry for lesser nations. We shred our own constitution, while suggesting it as a blueprint for others to follow. I mean... what do you want? A fucking bar chart? These aren't trading cards. You can't just flip over your ballot to look at their moral batting average.

ChaosEnginesaid:

@cosmovitelli, I'm still not seeing any hard facts from you. Yes, those are all awful things, but you are alleging that these people are demonstrably worse than Hitler (systematically killed at least 6 million Jews, arguably responsible for the largest conflict the world has ever seen), Stalin (murdered, tortured and deported .... well, no-one knows, but estimates range from 3 to 60 million) and Genghis Khan (killed a sizeable percentage of the worlds population at the time).

Also, you are aggregating the acts of every US president since Truman vs the acts of 3 individuals.

That's an extraordinary claim, and I think you need to provide some facts and figures to back it up.

cosmovitellisays...

@bmacs27 well put.
@ChaosEngine 'Nuff said. If you want a figure to match the one you quoted, Vietnam + Iraq = 6m+. As per bmacs27 & @st0nedeye, that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you want to argue that Johnson and Nixon were not in the same regime because they had different colored ties, thats another discussion.

ChaosEnginesays...

@bmacs27 and @cosmovitelli,
You're right, I apologise for being "pedantic".

Asking for facts to back up an argument? What was I thinking!? I'm on the internet, ffs. Outlandish claims backed up by vague, hand-waved claims are the gold standard for evidence online!

Also, I love everything about the american "regime" and I am defending their right to torture, invade and spy on people. Because as soon as you start doing anything bad, you are just like Hitler.

Or even worse, your parents that time they grounded you.

bmacs27says...

Right, because every comparison to Hitler is meant as a rigorous historical analysis, and comparing turning off the TV to Abu Ghraib isn't hyperbolic at all. Good thing you've got so much perspective.

ChaosEnginesays...

@bmacs27, you are literally invoking Godwin. Yes, if you are going to accuse someone as being comparable to a dictator widely regarded as one of the greatest monsters history, you should have a decent argument to back you up.

@cosmovitelli again, I am not defending the actions of anyone, and I don't think it just comes down to numbers either. You're talking about people who lead genocidal purges against people purely because of their ethnic background or sexuality, or someone who had their political opponents imprisoned and executed en masse.

Whatever you can say about Bush et al, they simply haven't committed those kinds of attrocites.

bmacs27says...

I beg to differ. You are literally invoking Godwin. I'm literally invoking pedantry. See the difference?

ChaosEnginesaid:

@bmacs27, you are literally invoking Godwin. Yes, if you are going to accuse someone as being comparable to a dictator widely regarded as one of the greatest monsters history, you should have a decent argument to back you up.

cosmovitellisays...

Ah that's where we differ. I think a million dead kids is a million dead kids - whether it was caused by a racist with a silly moustache on one continent a fat man trying to make bank on another.

ChaosEnginesaid:

I don't think it just comes down to numbers

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