In the 1980s we had a president who sold weapons to Iran, but at least we knew he was born in the United States.

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Wow, nice xenophobic priorities they have there. What a bunch of dipshits.

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Sorry Dag, I saw no evidence of "xenophobia", only disdain of Obamunism.

The birth certificate?

"Obama has NOT provided a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon, to be used to conclusively prove one of the two key elements used in determining his "natural born" citizenship status per the U.S. Constitution, i.e., where he was born.

Obama's Kenyan father was never a U.S. citizen. Thus, Obama is not a "natural born" citizen. When Obama was born he was not a "natural born citizen" since both parents of a child must be citizens at the time of birth of the child in order for the child to be a "natural born" citizen, in addition to the requirement that the child must be born in the USA."


"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -Phillip K. Dick

^ FALSE

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." -Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Thanks for knocking that on the head LeadingZero - but it doesn't really help. No matter how much evidence you throw at wingnuts, they will still persist in this conspiracy theory because it's a convenient vessel for their submlimated racism - and yes QM - Xenophobia.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Sorry Dag, I saw no evidence of "xenophobia", only disdain of Obamunism.
The birth certificate?
"Obama has NOT provided a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon, to be used to conclusively prove one of the two key elements used in determining his "natural born" citizenship status per the U.S. Constitution, i.e., where he was born.
Obama's Kenyan father was never a U.S. citizen. Thus, Obama is not a "natural born" citizen. When Obama was born he was not a "natural born citizen" since both parents of a child must be citizens at the time of birth of the child in order for the child to be a "natural born" citizen, in addition to the requirement that the child must be born in the USA."

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -Phillip K. Dick

Right that's why we're in an economic crisis...not because of the past absolutely-for-sure American born citizen of a president.

You're missing the spirit of the law...and the point altogether.

CPAC is phenomenal, the more clips from it that make it into the MSM the better.

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Dag, you are right in the case of the wingnuts of course. Really, the link I provided was not intended to persuade QM, rather presented for others.

Disinformation should be countered. Some people, not necessarily wingnuts, will believe specious claims simply because they heard them repeated somewhere.

Republicans once called themselves the party of Lincoln. Then they began to use opposition to Civil Rights as a staple of their “southern strategy”. They once described themselves as defenders of freedom. Then they started supporting wiretapping and the suspension of habeas corpus rights. They once called themselves pro-business. Now they laugh at American companies that face bankruptcy.

What’s left, other than hatefulness and the occasional reference to Edmund Burke?
- http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=17928

^quantumushroom

If you agree that he was born in the US but not to US citizens (like I do) then you're wrong on the issue of his citizenship. You might want to read ooooo The Constitution, specifically the 14th amendment which states:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. "

^quantumushroom

you also might want to read up on the supreme court rulings regarding the 14th amendment, specifically the US vs Wong Kim Ark:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

What did the supreme court rule you might ask?

"A child born in the United States to foreign parents who are subject to U.S. jurisdiction automatically becomes a U.S. citizen."

And again, as you quoted
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -Phillip K. Dick

Get ur head out of ur ass.

scary!

funny!

John McCain wasn't a natural-born American citizen, either, QM. So what's your point?

John McCain wasn't a natural-born American citizen, either, QM. So what's your point?

McCain was, and is, a natural born citizen.

"A child born in the United States to foreign parents who are subject to U.S. jurisdiction automatically becomes a U.S. citizen."

Papa was a Kenyan, so how was he subject to U.S. jurisdiction?

You can cut this bullshit seven ways to Sunday, the FACT remains, Baby Barack wasn't born in the USA and has no proof he was born in Hawaii. There's a document right now the State of Hawaii and BHO refuses to release to the public.

Barack's own grandmother freely admitted he was born in Kenya, as does His Excellency Peter Ogego, Kenyan Ambassador to the United States. Something's not adding up.

No matter how much evidence you throw at wingnuts, they will still persist in this conspiracy theory because it's a convenient vessel for their submlimated racism - and yes QM - Xenophobia.

This is not a conspiracy theory, it's a bouquet of questions requiring legal answers to consider the matter settled.

I expected better from you, Dag.

Barack's dangerous color is communist red, not black, with a mainstream media working on his behalf like State-run propaganda. BHO's UnAmerican and untenable socialist philosophy will fail all by itself, as it has everywhere it's been tried. How much easier life would be not having to relive the egregious errors of the Carter Administration, this time on steroids.

Oh please QM, that is such a load of rubbish.

Obama's birth certificate was verified. He is a natural born US citizen. The birth certificate is not released to public because of Hawaii's own statues against releasing birth certificates on the grounds of identity theft, only family members may obtain a copy. It doesn't look like yours because birth certificates are not standardized nationally.

The authenticity of the birth certificate released by the campaign has been verified by the:
- Hawaii Department of Health based on the certificate released by the campaign. Actually it's director.
- Marriage records from The Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics
- Employment records from Illinois Secretary of State's office
- Employment records from Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois.
- FactCheck.org conducted its own investigation and verified his status as well.

Similar cases were brought against McCain because he was born in the former Panama Canal Zone which was given back to Panama, thus invalidating him as a natural born citizen. They are just as ridiculous as this. McCain is a US natural born citizen.

Look at the backgrounds of the people pushing forward this garbage, they are all conspiracy theorists. The only thing these people are creating is a selective perception, no matter how much contrary evidence is presented to them.

Think about what it means if he is not a US citizen, it implies a vast conspiracy that involved the Hawaii Department of Health, The Cook County Bureau of Vital Statistics, Illinois Secretary of State, Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois, the entire Obama campaign, the Democratic party, FactCheck.org, numerous journalists across the country, other government agencies all coordinated over the last 40 years to create a false history to cover up the birth of one single man. In case he runs for President.

Occam's razor. This is all bullshit. You're an idiot.

How is the title related to the video? The title says the GOP has no new ideas, and then the comments are all criticizing the clip for being a little too original with their ideas.

John McCain was born in 1872 to Creedence Clearwater and Jessica McMastersonville in the eastern part of Tanzania.

PROVE HE WASN'T.

And I know what you're going to say: "He has a birth certificate to prove it!" But that's only if you believe the paper and ink weren't faked before the election. So:

PROVE JOHN MCCAIN WASN'T BORN IN TANZANIA IN 1872.

>> ^quantumushroom:
McCain was, and is, a natural born citizen.

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