Those weird white musical toys sounded just like Ann Coulter.

Hooo.....

And that ^ was funnier than Red Eye has ever been.

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I can't believe the whole concept of a Flat Tax is still considered credible.

It's another one of those ideas that sounds great if you're ignorant, but the instant you actually look at the numbers it's blindingly obvious that it's a scam designed to allow rich people to get out of paying even more taxes.

But hey, if you bet on stupid, it's hard to lose. Such is the state of our nation. Rich people get richer when you have an ignorant populace.

How much taxes should the right pay?
How do you define Rich, for that matter what is Middle class and the poor?
What should the middle / poor pay?

Should we obey the constitution or ignore it?


>> ^VoodooV:

I can't believe the whole concept of a Flat Tax is still considered credible.
It's another one of those ideas that sounds great if you're ignorant, but the instant you actually look at the numbers it's blindingly obvious that it's a scam designed to allow rich people to get out of paying even more taxes.
But hey, if you bet on stupid, it's hard to lose. Such is the state of our nation. Rich people get richer when you have an ignorant populace.

Fox News is not promoting any talking points here. They are simply discussing the concept behind the idea that people who have no skin in the game should not be directing the game.

It is a valid point. 50% of the people in this country pay no income tax. Yet they have an equal voice in government and hence the threat of the taking of private property that belongs to another.

We'll only obey the Constitution when you stop beating your wife!

Or phrased more prosaically, if you want to argue that progressive taxation is unconstitutional, you need to actually present an argument that that's actually the case before moving on to the accusation that US tax policy has been in violation of the Constitution ever since they amended the Constitution to allow an income tax in the first place...
>> ^bobknight33:

Should we obey the constitution or ignore it?

To say that the poor have a voice in government is laughable. The poor have no lobbyists and no money to contribute to campaigns. They are the first to suffer when things go wrong. There are only a handful of politicians who even speak about the poor, let alone do something to help.

Of course this is a talking point. If it isn't, then why are you, GeesussfreeK, Fox news and others all using the same charming 'skin in the game' euphemism for taking away the rights of the poor? You are being manipulated. You are part of the echo chamber.

This is only a valid point to people who believe the wealthy should have more rights than the middle and lower classes.

>> ^lantern53:

Fox News is not promoting any talking points here. They are simply discussing the concept behind the idea that people who have no skin in the game should not be directing the game.
It is a valid point. 50% of the people in this country pay no income tax. Yet they have an equal voice in government and hence the threat of the taking of private property that belongs to another.

LOL... let me count the talking points:

NPR = nazis
The View = geese
George Sorros = bad
Flat Tax
Skin in the Game

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These are all Fox talking points.>> ^lantern53:

Fox News is not promoting any talking points here. They are simply discussing the concept behind the idea that people who have no skin in the game should not be directing the game.
It is a valid point. 50% of the people in this country pay no income tax. Yet they have an equal voice in government and hence the threat of the taking of private property that belongs to another.

The American "poor?"

* Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

* Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

* Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

* The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

* Nearly three quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.

* Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

* Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

* Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.


By all means, don't let the facts get in the way of a good crusade on behalf of the richest poor in the world.

^I get why the higher ups of the right wing hate the poor. What I don't get is why so many people (read:you) -many of them poor themselves- jump on the bandwagon. Have you ever made a list of all the different ethnic, cultural and socioeconomic groups that conservatives hate? Does all that hate ever give you a moment of pause?

who is this obnoxious fuckwit of a host?
it's like he's trying to be the bill maher of idiots.

Hrm. In reading QM's silliness, a thought occurred to me--how many homeowners actually own their homes? In a strictly legal sense, until you pay off your mortgage, doesn't the bank actually own the land? Back when land was a necessary requirement for voting rights, people owned their land, free and clear. Would it work now?

And one could also argue that all Americans who pay taxes do indeed own land--all public land is held in our names.

>> ^lantern53:
50% of the people in this country pay no income tax. Yet they have an equal voice in government and hence the threat of the taking of private property that belongs to another.


Let's break that one down into the component logical assertions:

1. 50% of the people in this country pay no income tax.
   
2. All people have an equal voice in government.
   
3. People only pay no income tax when their incomes are so low that the standard deduction reduces their obligation to zero. (unstated, but common knowledge)
   
4. People with low incomes are more prone to "[take] private property that belongs to another", i.e. "steal" (strongly implied)
   

These are the discussions that really need to be tackled in America

-election reform. Politicians seem to be in a perpetual cycle where instead of governing, they are campaigning for the next election. Elections should be publicly funded. In the internet age, why do we need commercials, lawn signs and billboards?? Give each candidate a website that they can put whatever info they want on it...DONE

-economics. Put it to bed that trickle down economics does not work, or at the very least is vastly inefficient.

-public vs private. This notion that gov't and/or taxes are evil. I don't give a shit about small government. Gov't will always be changing in size because the public demands it. It's a moot argument. I want efficient Gov't. Of course there is gov't waste and greed. But every organization, public and private has this problem and I don't care for the double standard. In either case, the waste and the greed usually starts at the top, not the bottom. Yet the bottom usually is told that they have to sacrifice the most when cuts are made.

-corporations are NOT people.

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