>> ^bobknight33:

Single payer system will drive up costs and inefficiencies. What these guys are doing is a good thing. Putting up prices and letting you decide.

If Coke was the only drink in to have then they would no no issue to set the price high. As soon as a competitor shows up and delivers a comparable product at a lesser price the true price of the product will be discovered.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bobknight33:
Obamacare is not driving out the cost of healthcare for this group. Capitalism is.
from the text above:
The major cause of exploding U.S. heath care costs is the third-party payer system, a text-book concept in which A buys goods or services from B that are paid for by C. Because private insurance companies or the government generally pick up most of the tab for medical services, patients don't have the normal incentive to seek out value.
The Government gave us the third party payer system during WWII. Government is at fault.

Patients shouldn't have to "Seek out value." They're busy, usually being sick, or trying to work while being sick. It shouldn't be a for profit industry, everyone should have healthcare it should be a single payer system.



sorry i live in a "single payer system"

i know people who work in multiple departments/sectors of healthcare...everything from doctors, to home care, to IT

and i can say with full knowledge and satisfaction, that your statement that a single payer system drives up costs/inefficiencies is either ill informed, or completely full of bs...

the notion of competition as being the great equalizer is moronic, in a system where insurance companies spend 100s of millions of dollars lobbying to get the game rules changed in their favor... insurance companies main goal is to make profit... they do that by minimizing cost/quality of service while maximizing return... if you can't see how that contradicts the purpose of health care, you are either naive or morally bankrupt

the arguement that businesses are held to be more financially responsible than government is also a lie... a business only has the financial obligation to report accurate numbers while being fiscally sound... the government has that exact same obligation, but further more has to show VALUE for what it is doing

your argument about Coke mystically assumes Coke is the only drink, thus they could set the price at whatever they want... I assume you are making the arguement that Coke is healthcare? but a company who's goal is to sell coke to make profit... that's an insurance company.... a company who has to be accountable to the people giving it money while making sure that the MOST people have cheap and easy access to coke... that'd be the government

you can either argue that government operates the same as business (as you are trying to do with your horrible coke analogy), or you can argue that they operate differently (as most people who back the business produces better financial results than government argue)... but you don't get to argue both in the space of 2 paragraphs

you, sir or madam, have taken a big old swig of the kool-aid

agreed
he obviously think he's hot shit
with his saliva/snot sucking breathing and all

the "omg, fire coming from my toaster" acting deserves an academy award

http://videosift.com/video/Turkish-Lift-with-a-Woman

^this is cool



grown men throwing prepubescent girls? its creepy

the negative comments i've read here make me laugh so hard
you can plainly see the irony mess the poster's hair as it goes right over their head
many different times, in many different ways

Die Antwoord is brilliant, catchy, and riding a big wave of success

ain't gangsta enough? seriously? because real gangstas troll the sift/youtube right? keep it real
armchair hiphop historians lol
its called growing old, or being out of the loop... learn to cope

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/04/24/the-myth-of-voter-fraud

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

all i see is failure of the staff to inform the people of the issue... i don't see them actively seeking/promoting it



especially in the first case presented in the video

if anything i see a protocol issue, that could be solved by a 15min meeting
a vast, left-wing conspiracy? no evidence of that
any proof that this doesn't occur at all with Republican supporters? no evidence of that
any proof that this is any thing other than isolated incidents with staged actors (we know the first lady undercover is... why not any of the other examples?)

A major study by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 showed of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud – and of those few cases, most involved persons who were simply unaware of their ineligibility.

because when elections are decided by 0.00000286% of the the voters, its an issue

wto make a different comparison... whats a bigger concern... the 1% or the 0.00000286%? which of those two groups do you think has more money to influence politics? yeah...

poor job at propoganda

Now I have no reason to distrust the Justice Department findings. But this seems like a non-issue, until you realize the actual tactic here is voter surpression.

also,

socialism doesn't destroy incentive... it creates a solid base from which to operate

fire departments, police departments, public education... these are all social (ie socialist) services

the people who tout socialism as evil fall into two categories

people who are high enough in the income bracket to realize certain laws, and systems set in place, prevent them from making even more money... AT OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPENSE... so they demonize socialsm

the other are brainwashed idiots who aren't in that income bracket, but just tow the party line because (in all likelihood) they don't like a colored president... are easily swayed by low information fear tactics... are more concerned with what is on Honey Boo Boo this week than what is actually going on with their country... who come out against socialism, but most likely partake of some socialist system, or even depend on one... who don't realize that the Bible is the most SOCIALIST piece of literature out there...

ie, morons

take a look on index mundi

% of people below poverty line in hungary is 13.9%
for the US, its 15.1%

it's also considered to be one of the most income EQUAL nations in the world
AUDI and MERCEDES both have facilities there
and if you look at how their currency fluctuates... it's actually extremely stable

I'll tell you what the LEFT see's that this guy, the Republicans, and the poster above me don't:

THE FACTS

>> ^WaterDweller:

Anyone consider that this might just be a dude with a serious dose of self-irony, and the balls to make fun of himself?


i laugh at this line of reasoning... if he is someone who has an incredible sense of irony, and the balls to make fun of himself... HE MADE THIS EXPECTING TO BE MADE FUN OF

meaning everyone but the people "stepping in to combat internet bullying" are IN ON THE JOKE, or at least taking an active role in it

the only people not.... internet bully police

and if he didn't do it for that reasoning, it doesn't mean it's wrong to make fun of it either...
political correctness and sensitivity are EVILS in today's society and actually work to the detriment of harmony and understanding

everything is not equal, if everything isn't game
and nothing is TOO SERIOUS to make fun of

>> ^L0cky:

>> ^Yogi:
Or it could become a democracy and actually take the peoples votes into account rather than doing whatever it pleases and being ruled by the rich.
How do you change the policies when the problem is in the political machine? I believe this is true of all democratic countries now, to varying degrees.

We shall not return to democracy with democracy


not when the wheels of democracy are greased with the money of multinational corporations and banks

not when class warfare is being OPENLY committed by the wealthy on the poor, and any attempt to bring light to it is met with hypocrisy



democrats are the lesser of two evils
Romney is a flat out liar, has no ethics (despite what 'having' religion might say to you), and either doesn't care about anyone not in his socio-economic group... or is just plain out of touch (who let the dogs out)

if you are Republican and aren't in the 1%, you are voting against your interests... you are being distracted by "issues" that may be important to you, but aren't to the people you are voting for for any other reason than to gain power

if you are Democrat... and aren't protesting in the streets (even though your party is "in power") you are failing your country

if you stand back and say "I don't get involved, politics are too dirty"... you are failing yourself, your future, your children, your children's future, your country, and your country's future... you are the OPPOSITE of patriotic, and can only consider yourself a citizen in the form of the burden you place upon others

man, Phil Anselmo (lead singer of Pantera) sure let himself go

PBS actually has factual news

not a propaganda arm of big business

must die

i hate their politics

but would love to be the meat in that sandwich