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bluecliff says...

bullshit. the underpinning of all modern morals is the "code" of the new testament, which could not have arisen without the old. morality is cultural, not natural. Even dawkins knows this ffs, but his view of "culture" is so dim that he doesn't realize he has cornered himself into a historical trap. Hitchens - as an ex-marxist is probably quite aware of this; but when he ceased being marxist he also apparently ceased to be intelligent.

It's f*cking marvelous that Fry mentions Plato. It's precisely CHRISTIANITY which enabled the Philosophers to gain a greater foothold in the consciousness of the masses. The romans didn't give a flying fuck about Plato, too busy having gang-bangs and re-vomiting the same meal again and gain.

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bluecliff says...

* I thought scientists were going to find out exactly how everything worked, and then make it work better. I fully expected that by the time I was twenty-one, some scientist, maybe my brother, would have taken a color photograph of God Almighty — and sold it to Popular Mechanics magazine.
Scientific truth was going to make us so happy and comfortable. What actually happened when I was twenty-one was that we dropped scientific truth on Hiroshima.

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bluecliff says...

>> ^rougy:
>> ^bluecliff:
i have no problem with the point that healthcare is a luxury. Rich people are darwinian winners, old wealthy families are an example of that. So why culling the weak and stupid is moraly wrong from a natural point of view is beyond me.

Then you advocate the French Revolution?


The french revolution onlykilled a verry few of the rich, the puppet king and queen.
And the aristocracy was partly in bed with the bourgeoisie.
edit: and it was their revolution, and not the peoples, i.e. workers.

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bluecliff says...

i have no problem with the point that healthcare is a luxury. Rich people are darwinian winners, old wealthy families are an example of that. So why culling the weak and stupid is moraly wrong from a natural point of view is beyond me.

Substance dualism

bluecliff says...

@gwiz


it's an experience thing. There's "I" and there's "you" (or the outer world). it has very little to do with logic and concepts.
I feel myself. I "am" this thing which I call "myself." Whil, onthe other hand I am not this or that outer thing.
I think that's a thing we all experience and feel. And I don't think we can jump across this precipice through logical acrobatics.

I don't know if there are two substances or just one, in the universe. but there is some sort of fundamental difference between X and Y, between Mind and Matter. And even if this is an illusion (of evolution, the mind, whatever) , I think it's an illusion we are living, and we can't live without.

Substance dualism

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