The Stone Age Tribe on a Banned Island You Can't Visit

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siftbotsays...

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ChaosEnginesays...

*fascinating. There is a real-life Star Trek Prime Directive thing happening here.

Obviously, we don't want to introduce disease to these people, but I'm pretty sure we have some stuff (medicine, plumbing, refrigeration, Stephen Colbert, etc) that would make their lives better. Interesting ethical conundrumm.

newtboysays...

I dunno...that stuff you mention is also pretty harmful from some perspectives.
Introducing far less technology to other hidden tribes has changed them immensely, and usually for the worse. I feel somewhat bad that they're suddenly thrust into the iron age through no fault of their own...they were doing just fine with stones. Now there aren't any known pure stone age people left at all now, are there?

ChaosEnginesaid:

*fascinating. There is a real-life Star Trek Prime Directive thing happening here.

Obviously, we don't want to introduce disease to these people, but I'm pretty sure we have some stuff (medicine, plumbing, refrigeration, Stephen Colbert, etc) that would make their lives better. Interesting ethical conundrumm.

ChaosEnginesays...

"they were doing just fine with stones"

Were they? What was the average life expectancy? How about childbirth mortality rates? Hell, how's their dental health?

Obviously, a bit of iron isn't going to fix those problems, but it might make them more efficient hunters. Maybe their diet has improved because of this?

"Now there aren't any known pure stone age people left at all now"

Is that necessarily a bad thing? We had the stone age, we grew out of it.

I feel like it's easy for us to want to preserve their way of life, but no-one is giving them the option. If presented with a choice, most people wouldn't opt for a neolithic lifestyle. Even the so-called "paleo" adherents aren't really living that way.

I completely get where you are coming from, but part of me also feels like we are keeping humans in a zoo.

I honestly don't know what's the right answer.

newtboysaid:

they were doing just fine with stones. Now there aren't any known pure stone age people left at all now, are there?

newtboysays...

By "just fine" I meant surviving, which for natural animals as groups today is actually doing far better than most.

Is it a bad thing that there are no more stone age tribes? By my estimation, absolutely. I value diversity for many reasons, but mostly as a safety net against the totally unpredictable. For some unfathomable reason, something about being pure stone age might be advantageous.

I 100% agree about the option part, but offering them that option itself destroys their world viewpoint and eventually their civilization, proven time and time again with other tribes.

I honestly don't think there is a "right" answer, any course of action (or inaction) has it's own inherent dilemmas and moral traps. As a probable last example of unadulterated natural humanity, conservation seems to be paramount....but that's just like, my opinion man. ;-)

Edit: maybe I was over influenced by ' The Gods Must Be Crazy'....I thought clearly things were better without that coke bottle.

ChaosEnginesaid:

"they were doing just fine with stones"

Were they? What was the average life expectancy? How about childbirth mortality rates? Hell, how's their dental health?

Obviously, a bit of iron isn't going to fix those problems, but it might make them more efficient hunters. Maybe their diet has improved because of this?

"Now there aren't any known pure stone age people left at all now"

Is that necessarily a bad thing? We had the stone age, we grew out of it.

I feel like it's easy for us to want to preserve their way of life, but no-one is giving them the option. If presented with a choice, most people wouldn't opt for a neolithic lifestyle. Even the so-called "paleo" adherents aren't really living that way.

I completely get where you are coming from, but part of me also feels like we are keeping humans in a zoo.

I honestly don't know what's the right answer.

Esoogsays...

Fascinating. They've lived there for an unknown hundreds of years. And are hostile to any outsiders. One estimate was 40 people live on the island? What about inbreeding? It looks like a fair number of children in the videos.

I think we should parachute some cameras in. Park some drones in some trees for observation. (kidding...but not kidding)

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