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Good one.

Fist in the air!

I'm not sure I agree with his specific complaints about big pharma, although I agree in principle that big pharma is terrifyingly powerful. Also, the carcinogens in our drinking water bit doesn't seem right.

But in general, I tend to agree with him.

There was a fantastic full-length documentary about the 'dirty fucking hippies' on the sift somewhere that left me with the same feeling expressed by this sift.

ah, here we go: http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Electric-Kool-Aid-Acid-Test-CIA-Scenario-Backfires#comment-121652

Basically, that video said that all those protesters actually stopped the vietnam war. But what freaks me out is... if those people are the baby boomers, aka rthe people who are in power now... why the fuck do they keep making more and more wars?

it's so frustrating, especially when you realise just very VERY right the dirty fuckin' hippies were.

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10 CORRECT / 90% BULLSHIT. THE DIRTY FUCKING HIPPIES ARE WRONG.

elaborate please.. 10 correct statements and 90 incorrect? Or is that a fraction, as in 10/0.9?

>> ^bobknight33:

10 CORRECT / 90% BULLSHIT. THE DIRTY FUCKING HIPPIES ARE WRONG.

I'll vote this up, but there is one contention I'll mention. The Hippies are not completely right. The problems that exist in our country exist across the globe. We are, for now, in the spotlight because of: resources, resource consumption, pollution, population, wealth, influence of global markets and politics/governments, military, business, and a little bit of religion.

When China (or anyone) comes to fruition they will cause the same problems to creep up. I'm not saying we shouldn't look for an answer to these issues, but mankind has had the same problems since people could carry a tale.

The EU seems to be doing fairly well, but they have a host of problems to deal with as well. Fundamentally, I can't see much of a change (maybe lulls) coming to mankind until we actively change out our sturdy genetically encoded fight or flight system with something more updated. It will have to allow for individuals to make important decisions with the consent of the group -- as the group will need to realize that every individual choice is important, but it can't forsake an individual's right without circumstance. This issue is decided by both the individual and the group to have the same value/decision.

Merging with A.I.? I have no clue how will solve this. For now, we only have tourniquets. I think the real race for what will happen to humanity lies purely at science's feet. Something akin to a:Technological Singularity. This may be a form of ideology we can never meet.

My 0.02...

/Unless El FSM shows up soon with my meatballs.

@kceaton1 you seem to be implying that everything the hippies ever said was some sort of narrow, negative platform critical of the United States alone. You've got that exactly wrong.

It's a positive philosophy of promoting peace, love, understanding, sharing, and respect for the natural world and the dignity of mankind everywhere.

They were always talking about universal principles, not some issues they thought were unique to America.

It will have to allow for individuals to make important decisions with the consent of the group -- as the group will need to realize that every individual choice is important, but it can't forsake an individual's right without circumstance. This issue is decided by both the individual and the group to have the same value/decision.

So - what happens when 'the group' decides what 'the individual' wants is unacceptable? And what happens when 'the individual' tells 'the group' to cram it sideways with walnuts? And by what moral system are these decisions measured?

I know that the neolib left has long engaged in a mastubatory fantasy that somehow hippies were 'wise'. The reality is that hippies were just rebellous baby boomers who wanted meaning in their lives, but at the same time rejected the values of the previous generation.

Here is a little clip from Dragnet that everyone who thinks hippies were 'cool' should see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZo2hhvvlpw&feature=PlayList&p=11559F2B8F7E2A4B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=25

>> ^residue:

elaborate please.. 10 correct statements and 90 incorrect? Or is that a fraction, as in 10/0.9?

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The war part is right. War should be the last choice and is. The song is wrong.
Global warmer, Its natural, not man made
Global pollution, I agree it is shameful and more should be done.
The line that we are facing our own extinction is utter BS.
Implying that the Sociopaths are just Republican is BS.
Both parties are out for themselves and all should be voted out. Next cycle Vote them out. They are the biggest problem to the USA
Blaming Capitalism is utter wrong. Capitalism is what make this country the greatest in the world.
Government run health care IS TOO EXPENSIVE and will lead to less choice, less care, less help. ..

Big Box store only succeeds when you shop and give them you money. Apparently you dirty fucking hippies like shopping there.
Wall street is GOOD -- It is the most level playing field in the world. Millions of people set the price not 1 or 2.

The Dirty Fucking Hippies are wrong.

Yes, we are at a crisis point.
We are reactive beings, languishing in self-centered accumulation. Blinded by envy, preyed upon by a societal structure that is profit, rather than welfare, driven.
"hippies" - is a term bastardized by those who disagreed with underlying tenets (objective and free thought, care and consideration of others) of the movement, applying that term equally to reactive thought (and/or angsty, hormonal teenagers). Free thought based on observation has always been validated. And in this case, it has, and...we're basically fucked.

Humanity and it's self-centered approach is probably just a blip on the evolutionary timeline, of which we are still in an infantile stage. Consider, of course, that a mere 200 years ago, the main concern for most people was feeding themselves whilst avoiding an untimely extremely-violent end. Shit, most of the world remains incredibly superstitious,... competing invisible men in the sky. Most people are simply sheep, conditioned from birth to repeat behavioral patterns...

Genetically we are still only 1% removed from chimps, and yet we act like arrogant, know--t-all fucktards (note the above entry: "Global warmer, its natural, not man made". You sir, are excused from your idiocy, you are entitled to it, but your idiocy comes at an expense... And that expense, on a global scale, is our downfall...

Sorry, that's not what I meant it to sound like. I meant that the "no war" dichotomy would fail in the modern world as humanity has failed on every level to ever follow a specific ideology. What they said may be very correct and it is something we should teach and spread, that will cause what I said above " a lull".

But, as a species until you can "breed" out arguments that spill out of the brain we will always have the same issues, though they may be mitigated. What they did was not in vain, it's still being fought for and argued for.

/The Dirty Fucking Hippies Were Right

>> ^NetRunner:
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We are reactive beings, languishing in self-centered accumulation. Blinded by envy, preyed upon by a societal structure that is profit, rather than welfare, driven.

The two primary locations that humans learn a desire to work to benefit others are home and church. The founding fathers knew this, which is why the Constitution is a moral document that humbly acknowledges that rights come from divinity and provided protections to stop men from infringing those rights. Hippies have/had little or no respect for church & family, and the intellectually pithless modern progressives mirror that disdain. Not very likely that hippies or progressives will create this 'welfare driven' society when they actively seek to subvert/destroy the two things most likely to teach people a desire to serve others.

"hippies" - (objective and free thought, care and consideration of others)

Bull feathers. I lived in the 60s and 70s and the hippie movement was nothing about free thought, care, or consideration. They used the labels you use, but when rubber meets road the hippies were all about selfishness, laziness, and the abrogation of personal responsibility for ones actions.

In particular - hippies were incredibly intolerant of anything that didn't goose-step to their point of view. You see this reflected in their miserable progressive scions today. Anything that challenges their perspective is met with hostlity, anger, resentment, and violence. So much for 'objective free thought, care, and consideration of others'. Such boons are only granted to those that bow and scrape before properly approved leftist dogma - like good little zombies. For example...

(note the above entry: "Global warmer, its natural, not man made". You sir, are excused from your idiocy, you are entitled to it, but your idiocy comes at an expense... And that expense, on a global scale, is our downfall...)

Always nice to see objective free thought in action, combined with care and consideration for others, isn't it?

Let me rephrase for you: You sir, are excused from your idiocy, you are entitled to it, but your idiocy comes at an expense... And that expense, on a global scale, is our downfall...
Age doesn't equate to wisdom.
And what people learn in church is how to be sheep. But you're right, I don't respect your church bullshit or your family structure bullshit. As a people we are breeding ourselves into an infestation upon this planet, and much of that responsibility lies with religion...and it's complete and utter bullshit.
But I do care about you. I'd even give you a hug as I carefully explained what a nitwit you are.

And what people learn in church is how to be sheep

This is a common neolib conceit. While there are myriad foibles, prejudices, and issues with religion as a whole - it cannot be argued that the principles taught by religous organizations (love one another, do unto others, turn the other cheek, go with him twain, good samaritan, et al) are precisely the sort of thing that will achieve the effect you purport to advocate (focus on welfare of others). Now - you may personally disagree with religion and that's fine. But I ask now for you to seriously consider what other source this sort of mindset is going to originate from if not the home and family?

Such sentiment certainly does not come from humanism, or secularism, or any other philosophy of men. It does not come from government. It does not come from public school. It does not come from 'community organization'. There is not a single aspect of leftist teaching, learning, or philosophy that encourages human beings to become 'good people'. That is the pervue of home, family, and religion.

So while you don't respect such things, you say that you want the values that family/church advocate to permeate society. A funny little muddle. I'm personally glad that I don't have to engage is such gesticulations of hypocrisy in order to have a moral base. I merely have to advocate that people become better, more perfect practicioners of their faith. All the needs of society can be easily, simply met by giving people their freedom, removing the onerous burden of government over-regulation & taxation - and then encouraging them to pursue their own self-interest as enlightned by their religion & morality they learned from their family.

>> ^kceaton1:

Sorry, that's not what I meant it to sound like. I meant that the "no war" dichotomy would fail in the modern world as humanity has failed on every level to ever follow a specific ideology. What they said may be very correct and it is something we should teach and spread, that will cause what I said above "a lull".

I suppose your point then is that the hippies don't have foolproof ways of creating their desired utopia for humanity? Who does?

>> ^kceaton1:
But, as a species until you can "breed" out arguments that spill out of the brain we will always have the same issues, though they may be mitigated. What they did was not in vain, it's still being fought for and argued for.

I don't really think trying to engineer people to fit into some utopian ideal is much of a solution to anything. That sounds like a really, really scary dystopia to me.

Letting people have the ability to engineer themselves, on the other hand, sounds like it might enable us to fix some long-term societal problems by letting us have more conscious control over who we are. Or it might just make us even more factionalized and give us an even better excuse to dehumanize those we disagree with...

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

So - what happens when 'the group' decides what 'the individual' wants is unacceptable? And what happens when 'the individual' tells 'the group' to cram it sideways with walnuts? And by what moral system are these decisions measured?

That's the age-old question of politics.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
I know that the neolib left has long engaged in a mastubatory fantasy that somehow hippies were 'wise'. The reality is that hippies were just rebellous baby boomers who wanted meaning in their lives, but at the same time rejected the values of the previous generation.
Here is a little clip from Dragnet that everyone who thinks hippies were 'cool' should see.
http://
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZo2hhvvlpw&feature=PlayList&p=11559F2B8F7E2A4B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=25


It's kinda funny, that clip basically says nothing to support your argument. The upshot wasn't "shut up you fucking spoiled children", it was "don't give up your passion, but don't expect to win overnight, and don't try to start a revolution because you're impatient".

That speech applies a lot better to the modern-day teabaggers than it ever did to actual (non-strawman) hippies.

PS: For the millionth time, neoliberal doesn't mean what you want it to mean!

I don't disagree about anything you just said. But, you did admit that unless we find a way to control the natural instinct for fear and the outright control everyone has over another at sometime during there lives, the cycle will continue. Technology will only make it worse.

BTW, when I speak of "merging with A.I.", with aspects of bio-engineering (breeding "bad" genes
can get out of control, as can the A.I., but this is true for all of advanced science...), is most likely the best choice to solve the worst of issues. At higher I.Q. ratios you begin to see people realizing that it takes humanity as a whole to accomplish great things. But, none of us want to lose our individuality. The A.I. I speak of would be individual A.I.s. Not controlled by a hive. When they merge it's you and them; then if you want you can merge with more to become a larger individual (i.e.- your wife, etc...).

As technology gets more advanced it becomes more likely that a small group or perhaps one person, one day, in the not-so-far-off future could make this decision without either of our consent.

The tech singularity that I linked to above is what I mention and has been bouncing around in sci-fi and science for a good one hundred years. I'm hoping it's possible to get rid of the issues that can create victims, but nothing else. Having arguments are healthy and it allows us to better ourselves. Getting rid of all the arguments would be a fatal flaw and basically nullify evolution.

/Just in case you understood wrong, I at no time meant life to become the "Borg" or for us to resolve to using Eugenics in the classical sense. Hope this gets across better as I think we're mostly on the same side.

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^kceaton1:
Sorry, that's not what I meant it to sound like. I meant that the "no war" dichotomy would fail in the modern world as humanity has failed on every level to ever follow a specific ideology. What they said may be very correct and it is something we should teach and spread, that will cause what I said above "a lull".
I suppose your point then is that the hippies don't have foolproof ways of creating their desired utopia for humanity? Who does?
>> ^kceaton1:
But, as a species until you can "breed" out arguments that spill out of the brain we will always have the same issues, though they may be mitigated. What they did was not in vain, it's still being fought for and argued for.
I don't really think trying to engineer people to fit into some utopian ideal is much of a solution to anything. That sounds like a really, really scary dystopia to me.
Letting people have the ability to engineer themselves, on the other hand, sounds like it might enable us to fix some long-term societal problems by letting us have more conscious control over who we are. Or it might just make us even more factionalized and give us an even better excuse to dehumanize those we disagree with...


Sorry, ye ol' trollin conservative guys you're on ignored for comments in the past that were most likely very childish and distasteful. Just like this sentence probably is to you. So put me on ignore.

Also, the hippies certainly never had any idea of how to fix the issues in this world. Neither do I, neither does anyone posting. If crucifying my statement helps you, have at it. I only tried to post one idea out of many that "could" happen. Is it going to work? Ask the people after they try it.

/The song is right, but it, like our posts are 20/20 hindsight.

>> ^kceaton1:
Also, the hippies certainly never had any idea of how to fix the issues in this world. Neither do I, neither does anyone posting. If crucifying my statement helps you, have at it. I only tried to post one idea out of many that "could" happen. Is it going to work? Ask the people after they try it.
/The song is right, but it, like our posts are 20/20 hindsight.


Before you can solve the problem, you need to get people to be acutely aware of the problem, and motivate them to fix it. "Raising awareness" is the usual phrase we use for this now. Do the various charities dedicated to curing cancer know how to cure it? No. Does that mean they're wrong to advocate for more resources to be dedicated to curing it? No.

Does that mean that when it is one day cured they should be viewed as dirty fucking cancer advocates who never knew how to solve the problems they were whining about?

I'd say no.

PS: For the millionth time, neoliberal doesn't mean what you want it to mean!

And for the millionth time - I was the one that INVENTED the term 'neolib' so it means exactly what I think it means. I use the term neolib to describe liberals in the same way that the left uses the term 'neocon' to describe stuff on the right. 'Neocon' went from a term describing jewish liberals who supported the military to being a word the left uses to describe anything and everything 'right' they don't like and wish to give a perjorative label. I use neolib in the same way to describe leftism. I wish neolibs would stop mis-using the neocon term, but they don't. Until that happens, just get used to it.

As far as the vid goes - it shows a bunch of hippies getting a much-needed talking to by the previous generation. Doesn't tell them to stop being idealists, but does show them that a lot of the hippie arguments were BS.