Texas Cop Beats And Tasers 77 Year Old Man

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A Texas cop, Nathanial Robinson is under investigation for pulling an elderly man for an expired inspection sticker over and roughing him up.
siftbotsays...

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eric3579says...

Also he should have never been pulled over as he has dealer plates and is exempt from inspection sticker thing.

Took him to the hospital and after was released from custody with no charges.

newtboysays...

So, even after seeing there was no reason for the stop, or the assault, he was still kept in custody until AFTER the hospital?!? Another WTF!?!

I've been wondering recently, could those bystanders have effected a 'citizens arrest' on the cop for assaulting the elderly man...legally? If so, it may be there's going to be a lot of injured or dead cops, because they'll NEVER allow themselves to be arrested and it's (allegedly) perfectly legal to kill someone resisting citizens arrest. I really hope someone tries, and I get my answer (to be clear, I really hope it's legal to stop them...but I don't want them dead).

eric3579said:

Also he should have never been pulled over as he has dealer plates and is exempt from inspection sticker thing.

Took him to the hospital and after was released from custody with no charges.

newtboysays...

I've heard it and read it repeatedly, it may not be true, but it's common 'belief'. (edit: perhaps I said it simplistically) That's why I asked.
I've heard and read that one may use any force necessary to effect the arrest, up to and including deadly force.
As 'cop', I would think you would know this, and accept it, since it also says the same thing for cops. It's why most of them are not prosecuted when they kill someone during an arrest....which happens 10 times more often than cops being killed in the line of duty BTW.

lantern53said:

"it's perfectly legal to kill someone resisting citizens arrest."

wtf?

lantern53says...

A police officer is permitted to use force 'one step up' from the person who is resisting. So if he is using his fists, I can use an impact weapon. If he has a knife, I can use a gun. If I fear for my life, I can use deadly force.

Of course more resisters are going to be killed than cops. A lot of those resisters are on drugs, not trained...they're thugs, like Michael Brown.

newtboysays...

So the same goes for citizens arrest, no?
That means when I citizens arrest a cop, and he goes for his gun, it's more than legal to kill them instantly? If not, please explain how not.

It makes no sense whatsoever that those untrained trained thugs only manage to kill 1/10 the number of people the 'trained, not on drugs, non thug' cops. That makes the cops the trained ultra-violent thugs, how can you continue to be blind to that?

EDIT: If 'fear for your life' is excuse for deadly force for citizens too, blacks and non-professional whites could justifiably kill a cop any time they get pulled over, since it's a totally reasonable fear that they'll maybe be injured or killed if they don't strike first. Not a good criteria in my eyes.

It's not about saying cops should always be able to avoid violence, it's saying the cops should not be the instigators or escalators of violence, they should STOP violence. Sadly, all too many are the violent criminals themselves, and all too many more stand with them in a blue wall, or said another way are accessories after the fact.

lantern53said:

A police officer is permitted to use force 'one step up' from the person who is resisting. So if he is using his fists, I can use an impact weapon. If he has a knife, I can use a gun. If I fear for my life, I can use deadly force.

Of course more resisters are going to be killed than cops. A lot of those resisters are on drugs, not trained...they're thugs, like Michael Brown.

lantern53says...

A police officer MUST be more violent than the person who is resisting, otherwise there is a good possibility that the officer will lose their life to some drug-addled thug.

Just as you must be more violent than the person assaulting you if you expect to win.

"All to many cops" is simply hyperbole.

newtboysays...

Sad.
You are supposed to be the protectors of the public, but you seem to think it's proper to live in fear of and disgust with them.
I was taught, and it has held true, that the best way to win a fight is not to be in one. I have won many a 'fight' in my youth by being LESS violent than the person assaulting me, sometimes with words diffusing the situation, sometimes by simply avoiding their clumsy attacks and allowing them to hurt themselves. Escalating the violence is almost never the best option, just the simplest and most reactionary.
Those times I 'lost' a fight (only happened with my brother who was twice my size, unavoidable, and I couldn't talk down), I could have become more violent to 'win' and saved myself from discomfort and injury by stabbing him...that would have been inappropriate. To me, from your comments you would have knifed him, because winning is more important than anything else. That theory sucks ass, and I think you know it.
OK, if "all too many cops" is hyperbole, I'll say "nearly every cop on the force"...better? Both are true, both are terrible. Show me just 3 instances of cops going against other cops publicly and in court, and remaining cops. You can't. That's "All too many" to almost everyone that's not in uniform.

lantern53said:

A police officer MUST be more violent than the person who is resisting, otherwise there is a good possibility that the officer will lose their life to some drug-addled thug.

Just as you must be more violent than the person assaulting you if you expect to win.

"All to many cops" is simply hyperbole.

newtboysays...

So, because I believe, and life has proven true, that de-escalation is ALWAYS preferable to escalation, I'm naïve? HA! That's the problem with police today, they think that violent escalation is the ONLY method that works, when in reality it's a method that NEVER works best.

Funny that you were completely unable to answer the actual question, or able to give even one example that supports your position, but instead you could only offer an insult, and yet you are still indignantly sticking to your indefensible position.

Your self serving, naïve, often racist, us-vs-them mentality is disturbingly astounding....especially from an officer.

lantern53said:

Your naivete is astounding.

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