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YouTube: In 1998, says Monica Lewinsky, “I was Patient Zero of losing a personal reputation on a global scale almost instantaneously.” Today, the kind of online public shaming she went through has become a constant. In a brave talk, she takes a look at our “culture of humiliation,” in which online shame equals dollar signs — and demands a different way.
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Enzobluesays...

Can't remember all, but Genji was a heavy Sarkeesian hater and this made me think of that in the sense that we shouldn't focus on the person, but rather the ideas they have or situations they get caught in maybe.

bobknight33said:

Why do you say these words?

00Scud00says...

I'm not sure that Sarkeesian and Lewinsky's situations are all that similar. Lewinsky was never looking for public attention to begin with, she was shamed (wrongfully in my opinion) for something that goes on between average people all the time, but because it involved a President that makes it national news.
Sarkeesian needs publicity if she want's her message to be heard and so she does whatever she has to to get our attention. Once you have it however you may find that it cuts both ways, your message may be well received by some while inflaming those who disagree with you.
I agree with some things Sarkeesian says and I disagree with other things, but for me it's about her words and her actions, and her ideas, not who she is personally.

Enzobluesaid:

Can't remember all, but Genji was a heavy Sarkeesian hater and this made me think of that in the sense that we shouldn't focus on the person, but rather the ideas they have or situations they get caught in maybe.

JustSayingsays...

What?
So, are you, like, suggesting Sarkeesian asked for it? What? Was her skirt too short and her top too slutty?
The woman did her job, analyzing entertainment products and their relationship to women, and got death- and rapethreats. That's exactly what Lewinsky talks about minus the shaming aspect. Yes, her talk is about shaming but that's only the spread on the shit-sandwich she got and is reviewing now.
It's about shitty people being themselves online, about modern mob behaviour. Both women suffered from that and both got their share of misogyny and abuse. What they did to get it isn't the issue, it's what's done to them. They may not sit in the same boat but Sarkeesian is certainly sitting in the 15 years more advanced version of it.

00Scud00said:

I'm not sure that Sarkeesian and Lewinsky's situations are all that similar. Lewinsky was never looking for public attention to begin with, she was shamed (wrongfully in my opinion) for something that goes on between average people all the time, but because it involved a President that makes it national news.
Sarkeesian needs publicity if she want's her message to be heard and so she does whatever she has to to get our attention. Once you have it however you may find that it cuts both ways, your message may be well received by some while inflaming those who disagree with you.
I agree with some things Sarkeesian says and I disagree with other things, but for me it's about her words and her actions, and her ideas, not who she is personally.

00Scud00says...

I must have missed that, please tell me at what point was Sarkeesian slut shamed for her critical views? How are the two even connected? Lewinsky's talk did cover the corrosive environment we find online and that is something they both share, but how they got there is different. Lewinsky and the other guy she mentioned both had their privacy violated and their personal lives exposed to the public, the media shamelessly exploited the situation for clicks and ratings while the Republicans saw something that might finally stick to the Teflon President (honestly I think Clinton should have cut the playing coy bullshit and simply owned up to it).
Sarkeesian voiced and opinion and some people agreed, some people sort of agreed, some disagreed, and yet others decided to be assholes about it. No secrets revealed, no private shame of hers was exposed for the sake of public titillation, she took a stance on an issue and got a taste of the uglier side of public life.
Also, please point out in my post where I said that she was asking for it or where I said anything about what she was wearing. Shoving words into people's mouths to demonize them in the hopes that it will silence them is a reflection on you, not me.

JustSayingsaid:

What?
So, are you, like, suggesting Sarkeesian asked for it? What? Was her skirt too short and her top too slutty?
The woman did her job, analyzing entertainment products and their relationship to women, and got death- and rapethreats. That's exactly what Lewinsky talks about minus the shaming aspect. Yes, her talk is about shaming but that's only the spread on the shit-sandwich she got and is reviewing now.
It's about shitty people being themselves online, about modern mob behaviour. Both women suffered from that and both got their share of misogyny and abuse. What they did to get it isn't the issue, it's what's done to them. They may not sit in the same boat but Sarkeesian is certainly sitting in the 15 years more advanced version of it.

JustSayingsays...

Look @00Scud00, Lewinski's talk is about shame and cybermobbing. She experienced the latter because of her actions and as a result, when she talks about online -abuse, she views it through the prism of her own lifestory, one that is about shame. It is similar to Tyler Clementi, whom she talked about.
However, at the end of the day, her talk is about cyberbullying, online abuse and mob-behaviour.
What connects her and Sarkeesian is cyberbullying and misogyny. They both expierenced that without a doubt.
The big difference is, Lewinsky did something wrong, she enganged in adultery. It may be excusable because she was young and in a relationship with very uneven powerdynamics, it may be understandable because people do fall in love and cheat but it was wrong. The problem is that a matter that should concern only a handful of people became a media event because of the politics involved. That lead to slutshaming and embarrassing her not just online but by all media.
Her case is special because she was the first person to get such an response online and that is what she focuses on in her talk. It's not just about the media (be it print or TV), it's especially about the internet. That is why Clementi is in part so important to her.
Sarkeesian on the other side didn't do something wrong. She started to talk publically about the way the media, especially games, treat and view women from a (sane IMO) feministic point of view.
The end result is disastrous. She experienced a backlash that was not only the highest degree of misogyny, it was also a prime example of a group of people online lashing out at somebody. Cyberbullying and online abuse at its worst.
There is the connection between the two. Sarkeesian wasn't slutshamed, she just got called 'slut' and 'whore'. She didn't have private, sexual details of her life revealed online, it was just her adress and getting rape-threats.
The connection between the two women is online abuse.

Actually, Sarkeesian got it worse. She just did a job but Lewinsky sucked off a married man. Monica didn't deserve what she got, that level of humiliation and hatred. She made a stupid mistake, she made a human mistake. The price she paid was unbearably, unfairly high. I'm sorry for her.
Anita just talked about a topic she felt strongly about. People online threatened her with bodily harm. That's worse.

@dag mentioned Justine Sacco. Her case is completely different from those other two women. Somehow, Monica Lewinsky still talked about her. That's why her TED Talk is so good, she talks about a problem that exists mainly in the online world nowadays.
Cyberbullying. Mobmentality. Onlineabuse.

EMPIREsays...

"Sarkeesian on the other side didn't do something wrong."

oh man... some people still believe this?

I'm not defending slut shaming or death threats. That's just wrong, and infantile, and stupid. But she has misrepresented herself, and has been caught lying in her videos a few times. And also has some REALLY fucking retarded opinions.

I'll just leave this here https://stateofthegaming.wordpress.com/

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