Inappropriate? Ya think?

He's no more (and no less) a hero than the 9-11 attackers. If you think any of them are a hero, you have to accept that they all are. I wonder what she'd say to that idea?

Hero is the wrong word for this guy, But so is calling that other Vietnam vet a hero. Neither of them are, they both did disgusting things or where part of something atrocious. I understand where the girl is coming from calling him a hero for actually getting up and doing something, and maybe the rest of us pussies will actually make change.


GOTTA LAY YOURSELF UPON THE GEARS to make change fuckers.

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OK... he is in NO WAY a hero.

Nope.

YES standing up to unjust things in a government is laudable. YES making a stand on issues that are right is a noble thing to do. NO crashing a plane into a building and killing someone after burning down a house is NOT IN ANY WAY HEROIC.

There are so many OTHER things to be done other than what he did. And he should be scorned for what he did, and NO ONE should treat him like he did anything of merit.

YES the government of many countries piss away tax money, yes you can get angry about it, and from the part of his rant that I read it SEEMS like he tried to take things through channels (after being locked away for tax fraud or some such, hard to tell as he doesn't elaborate on the things he was trying to 'demonstrate' that got him locked up)... but rather than this horrendous way of trying to bring attention to his cause why did he not stage stunts or protests or other things that can bring media attention? And then he would have still been alive to be able to explain his gripes...

His daughter said she had no idea, and that he must have been a very private person... and therein lies the issue probably... any time someone has issues like he did, talking with others can diffuse the problems, shine new light on them, make you take stock etc. Not sharing means that you internalize and end up never seeing another side of what you're facing and so you can end up thinking it's insurmountable.

However... did that newsreader seem incredulous that his daughter moved to Norway and mocked her because she pays more tax there? Um... she may pay more tax, but she also gets HEALTH CARE and other services which many of us in countries OTHER THAN THE US take for granted... so I can definitely see why she would move there. And the newsreader dismissively mocking her because she still has this dumb notion that she has it better in the states is part of the problem that lead to this.

I'll give -her- something of a pass, just because it'd be damned difficult to face the fact that your father tried to murder dozens or hundreds of people.

I will -not- give a pass to anyone else who tries to call him a hero, or claim that his action were in any way justifiable. He was a monster, just like any other mass murderer, and by his actions, he gave up any right to sympathy.

And as for you, Bone...Sure, lay -yourself- on the gears if you like...but you cannot make that decision for others and be any more than a criminal. If he had immolated himself in his house, it would be a different matter. He chose to kill people who were in no way responsible for his problems. End of story.

Inappropriate?

WHAT THE FUCK?

go die in a fire you stupid rich white bitch.

Trying to rationalize a parent's murder-suicide has got to be tough. I feel bad for her.

@dystopianfuturetoday, I'm hesitant to condemn her for exactly that reason.

However, I would've felt considerably more comfortable with her saying "I loved him, but he just wasn't well, and I'm terribly sorry that we ignored it until he was so out of control that he violently attacked innocent people" than "he's a martyr to his cause, and hopefully will successfully coerce a change in government policy through his violent actions".

I rather suspect that if we knew the details, we'd find that the TV station pressed hard for an interview...which is a reprehensible act, IMO. Let the woman have time and privacy to grieve, and come to grips with the facts before you shove a microphone in her face and put her on the air. Once she's has time to adjust, then it's a different story (although really, her views are still not particularly relevant).

@bonesremake
how do you know he wasn't a hero? how can you judge a man's character without knowing anything about him.
So your saying everyone who was in Vietnam was some evil sadist? Don't forget that there was a little thing called the draft in Vietnam. A draft that excluded rich people from having to participate in, so long as their parents could afford the college tuition. Your no different from Glenn Beck and the rest of those hate mongering idiots. Spreading hate on issues you have no knoledge of.

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@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.videosift.com/member/dystopianfuturetoday" title="member since January 9th, 2007" class="profilelink"><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">dystopianfuturetoday, I'm hesitant to condemn her for exactly that reason.
However, I would've felt considerably more comfortable with her saying "I loved him, but he just wasn't well, and I'm terribly sorry that we ignored it until he was so out of control that he violently attacked innocent people" than "he's a martyr to his cause, and hopefully will successfully coerce a change in government policy through his violent actions".


Totally agree. I just can't imagine trying to rationalize the terrorism of a loved one.

(what's up with sifty?)

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This hero not a hero thing is totally boring. The interesting and scary thing is people are starting to think like this man and his daughter in this country. It's becoming more dangerous to be a police officer or a government official. There's reason for that, and maybe we should look at them more closely before we start complacently sighing everytime we hear about a cop being gunned down.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
(what's up with sifty?)

I think sifty horks up an html ball when you quote someone using the at sign invocation.