Response to:
http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=17501

Caviezel says "You betray me with a kiss" in Aramaic at the beginning of the ad, which makes it fairly clear that this opposition to Missouri's stem cell law is ideological, not scientific.

But there's a bunch of stuff after that (in English) about taxes and changing Constitutions to make it appear otherwise - but it's the same unenlightened ideological argument about Jesus and "life".

So screw holier-than-thou Caviezel, screw the Cards, and screw Heaton and her fake tits.

Although I wholeheartedly agree with Theo on this, I think it's important to recognize just how ridiculous the opposition is.

so its ok to throw out unused eggs but not ok to see if there is anything useful to do with them. Oh wait this is a complete over simplification of a very complex issue and can not be summed up in 1 sentence or one 15 second tv ad. This issue takes serious thought, good thing we have scientists and ethicists all screaming for this to be passed. Its the constant oversimplificationn by already simple people that just screams stupidity and ignorance of the potential of stem cells. But ofcourse if the church had its way again the world would be flat and the center of the universe and all those who oppose burned at the stake like the good old days. Anyone else sick of the human race and just begging for some other life to pop by earth and take you with them. I know i am or maybe its just been a bad week......

What I see are a people who are simply too scared to debte a real issue. So they call them names...very mature

And you call THAT "debate"?
My post actually had substance - what did that one just have?
Name calling people about name calling?

"So screw holier-than-thou Caviezel, screw the Cards, and screw Heaton and her fake tits."

You call screw him, screw them, and screw her substance?

I was referring to me finding the meaning of Caviezel's sleazy Aramaic quote and discussing the reasons underlying the ad.

And that's not name-calling, that's my opinion of the absurdity of their statements. If I was name-calling, I'd say Caviezel has a savior complex, that the Cards are a shitty baseball team, and that Heaton is a no-talent whore.

But I didn't say that, did I?

6 billion dollars?? Man that could fuel our war for days.

$6,000,000,000 alone in just california, mr cow!!

for $13 billion per year, which equals 13 days of pentagon spending, america could feed 6 million children who die of hunger-related causes around the world each year!

Why are these people's thoughts less valid than Michael J. Fox's? Nothing they say is "ridiculous."

No one's thoughts are more or "less valid" than another's; no one's saying that.

Arguments, on the other hand, can certainly be more or less valid (if you're basing them on, say, facts). There are at least two other videos on the Limbaugh/Fox controversy active right now, and the arguments from the right are taking a pounding.

Upvote for posterity, not because I agree with the ignorant sentiments expressed here.

These people that speak out against stem cell research because they claim cures are 15 years away, I just want to kick them in the face. It may take more than 15 years to find cures at the rate we're going because the research is restricted. If it takes 15 years with full funding, then we should have started 10 years ago.

The amendment in question can be found here:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006petitions/ppStemCell.asp

The prorpose of this amendment can be summed as here:
"2. To ensure that Missouri patients have access to stem cell therapies and cures, that Missouri researchers can conduct stem cell research in the state, and that all such research is conducted safely and ethically, any stem cell research permitted under federal law may be conducted in Missouri,"

The phrase "stem cell research" here is all emcompassing and without distiction, so it covers ebryonic, adult, cord blood stem cell research.

Now, allow me to point a mojor loophole...
(1) No person may clone or attempt to clone a human being.
(2) “Clone or attempt to clone a human being” means to implant in a uterus or attempt to implant in a uterus anything other than the product of fertilization of an egg of a human female by a sperm of a human male for the purpose of initiating a pregnancy that could result in the creation of a human fetus, or the birth of a human being.

To put it another way, you can clone a human being as long as it's not implanted inside of a mother for the purpose of, or attempting to give birth. However you can use embryos that are the result of "somatic cell nuclear transfer" and experiment upon that as long as it's not implanted in a uterus. Through this loophole it does in fact allow experimentation on human embryos created by fertilization or somatic cell nuclear transfer (cloning) and research into cloning...as long as you don't call it cloning and call it a somatic cell nuclear transfer.

omigod the gub'ment's gonna clone me!
hun, git mah shotgun!

Wow, you think they could at least afford some proper audio recording equipment. At least it sounds like it belongs on youTube.

Correct me if I'm wrong, (I'm getting my info from the wiki and the internets), but isn't SCNT necessary for creating genetically compatible embryonic stem cells?

I'm all for informing people that SCNT is linked with cloning research. But saying that this loophole allows cloning and closing this loophole, which would disallow embryonic stem cell production, seems a little disingenuous to me.

There is a big difference between taking a cloned embryo and inserting into and womb and not inserting it. As much a difference as taking a sperm cell and inserting it into an egg or not. One is a necessary step to allow a human being to fully grow, the other not.

Oh what the hell, I'll upvote for the discussion.

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