http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/09/phoenix_officer_who_shot_homeo.php

According to the above article, the officer was found to have not violated any policy.

Godamn, there is no justice in the world.

The supreme court has upheld in every case that has gotten to them, the police have no obligation to protect you.

After an incident, a Police Department launches an investigation of themselves and typically find they did nothing wrong.

Your only recourse in this case is to make a civil case out of it, but the cost of suing a State run organization is like suing a Corporation. It's prohibitively expensive.

As long as we have professional police forces, we'll never have justice.

If only there were MORE guns in the situation everyone would have been safe.

Well at least the guy is still alive. And let's not forget that the actual intruder should bear just as much responsibility if not more than the cop who: "(expletiv)ed up."

>> ^blankfist:
As long as we have professional police forces, we'll never have justice.


What is a viable alternative? Private contractors?

>> ^JiggaJonson:
If only there were MORE guns in the situation everyone would have been safe.


"A friend called me up and told me I would meet the lady of my dreams, in a days time. Sure enough I did! He must be psychic!"

I also like to equate comments like the quoted to trying to compare The Big Bang Theory to Evolution.

>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^blankfist:
As long as we have professional police forces, we'll never have justice.

What is a viable alternative? Private contractors?


When the U.S. Constitution was ratified in 1787, there wasn't such a thing as a professional policeman. It was a foreign idea that would've been scoffed at. There were Constables and Sheriffs, but their roles weren't "crime-fighting", but rather handing out writs and serving court papers.

I maintain a belief that a well armed public is all you need. Individuals can do much better at handling their own affairs than a bureaucracy.

So, no, not everything needs to go to contractors or private businesses or big multinational Corporations. Sometimes the individual can do for himself.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'police, inept, robbery, accident' to 'police, inept, robbery, accident, home, burglar, gun, 911, usa, shot, 2008, mistake' - edited by Eklek

Except blankfist, that not everyone is as capable as this particular homeowner in defending themselves. In fact, most people aren't. The problem is NOT the fact that the Police shot him (in the big picture that we're discussing) the problem is that there isn't anything in place that can punish those cops for doing what was obviously the wrong thing. Internal investigations almost never really turn up anything bad, for obvious reasons. If the supreme court is upholding these kinds of cases then the problem lies with them, NOT in having a public law enforcement body. If those idiots were better trained and had more in the mind of protecting people instead of just doing a job and not having to worry to much about if they'll get in trouble for misusing their power, odds are this kind of crap wouldn't happen. Even if it did, at least there would be repercussions instead of "we found nothing wrong".

Also back in 1787 they didn't a police force because there wasn't much call for one. When a community is only a few hundred people or at most a few thousand, its a lot easier to keep tabs on who's doing what. When an "average" town gets to be 20-30 thousand and the problems get alot bigger than what a neighborhood militia can take care of.

I'm sorry but I think not having public law enforcement is a terrible idea. Will crime magically disappear? No more gun toting crooks, rapists, or gangs? You think the Mafia's protection racket is bad now, how bad do you think it would if people had no alternative? Even non-criminally inclined would devolve into an eye for an eye culture, welcome to the return of the family feud, have as many kids as you can so they can take up arms against those no good dirty low down cheatin Johnson's.

I think the biggest problem with the police forces as they stand today is a complete lack of over site. All they have is there own internal division to investigate themselves, and a justice department that seems quick to side with the police. There's also the faction of police apologists and enablers, the ones who cheer on the cops when they break out the tear gas to break up some rowdy kids protesting something silly like their right to free speech. In this case the guy could have been a Republican poster boy. A guy using his 2nd amendment right to protect his home and family. He would have been a hero and paraded around on FOX news. Instead the cops shot him six times in the back, without so much a verbal warning, with his wife telling the cops he was in there and holding the intruder at gun point. Maybe if they see there actually is something wrong with the way the police operate, and not just a bunch of liberal pussies crying change can actually take place. Or maybe they'll just close their ears and eyes and pretend nothing happened.

We already have plenty of areas where "enforcement" falls on the people rather than the police. Go to many high-density low-income neighborhoods and see how that has turned out.

When no police are around then the people will fill the vacuum, but the effect is not necessarily increased safety. Pray that you don't live near two opposing enforcement groups.