Moore gets flak for some of the stunts he pulls, but this made me lol. I am, however, part black and have extra appreciation for this white dude's love for African-Americans and caring for their safety =D

Nice going Michael. Now that the criminals know how they're just going to spray paint their guns day glow orange. Soon the police will have to shoot everyone just to be on the safe side. Sorry I meant to say everyone "suspicious looking".

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You really shouldn't be pulling anything out of your pocket around a cop, whether its orange or you are black.

>> ^imstellar28:
You really shouldn't be pulling anything out of your pocket around a cop, whether its orange or you are black.


Exactly. If a cop is pointing a gun at me yelling at me to stop and put my hands up, the last thing I'm going to do is reach in my pants/jacket for a wallet, remote control or candy bar.

I'd like to put Michael Moore to a test. Use one of those training targets that rotates to reveal a silhouette of a target. Give him 100 targets, 50 of them will have nothing in their hands, the other 50 will have something in their hands pointing it at you. The challenge will be that one of those 50 with something in its hand will have a real gun and will fire real bullets at you unless you shoot it first.

@jimnms: are you under the impression that cops routinely, or even in exceptional cases, face situations where 50 out of 100 people in a public situation are randomly armed and looking to kill a police officer? You've never spoken to a cop, have you?

The vast majority of officers are never required to fire their weapon ONCE in the line of duty. During their entire careers. Which is as it should be. Police firings, let alone murders of citizens, let alone murders of non-criminal, unarmed civilians, is unusual in all sorts of ways, and that is why civilian review boards are called for when a particular PD has a nasty habit of shooting such citizens almost exclusively when they are black.

police officers are not military soldiers. If you aren't aware of the difference, you're probably not qualified to be taken seriously.

An Accidental killing is still Manslaughter. No matter what color you are wearing at the time.

I'm a fan of Moore, but I don't think this is particularly fair. Are there racist cops? No question. Is it reasonable to assume that some of these shootings were accidental? I have no problem imagining how difficult it might be for a cop to determine if the dark object being pulled out of a pocket/jacket is a weapon or not, especially at night. You'd have to think most people wouldn't make such a stupid, life-threatening move unless it was to reach for a weapon, and I can't blame cops for thinking that either.

Michael Moore is such a simpleton. He exemplifies everything I hate about television and mass media and socio-political discussions. And no, I'm not a conservative, I used to like Michael Moore. I bought his "The Awful Truth" series on VHS when it came out. But I now see his movies as cheap, manipulative, over-edited 4-panel comic strips, just like so much of modern mass media.

It was a tragic mistake when the police shot and killed Amadou Diallo. From what I understand his English wasn't all that great and was probably confused with what the cops were telling him to do. He pulls out his wallet and the cop nearest to him starts back-pedaling in panic, as he doesn't know what it is. And the cop trips as he is retreating and falls down violently. The next cop reacts instinctively, thinking the retreating cop sees a gun and is in danger. And he starts firing at Amadou. The other cops respond in kind, thinking that "these guys know something I don't, that this guy is a threat" and they start firing too. It all happened very quickly. Then when they find out it's a wallet and they misread the whole thing they are traumatized and shaken. Quite a different picture than that which I've heard described, which is a comic book image of grinning, evil, trigger-happy racist cops, standing over Amadou in a semi-circle, gleefully pumping bullets into his body and reloading and firing more and giving high-fives and smoking cigars and saying to each other "he got what he deserved for not obeying our orders".

But all these details I've just included wouldn't easily fit on a picket sign or be boiled down to a simple-minded protest chant.

>> ^imstellar28:
You really shouldn't be pulling anything out of your pocket around a cop, whether its orange or you are black.


1) Yeah, especially if you're black.

2) You're assuming the people who were shot pulled something out - they might have already had it in their hands and in the shock of having a cop pointing a gun at them not thought to drop something harmless.

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This is brilliant *quality stuff.

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by dag.

>> ^ulysses1904:
Michael Moore is such a simpleton. He exemplifies everything I hate about television and mass media and socio-political discussions. And no, I'm not a conservative, I used to like Michael Moore. I bought his "The Awful Truth" series on VHS when it came out. But I now see his movies as cheap, manipulative, over-edited 4-panel comic strips, just like so much of modern mass media.
It was a tragic mistake when the police shot and killed Amadou Diallo. From what I understand his English wasn't all that great and was probably confused with what the cops were telling him to do. He pulls out his wallet and the cop nearest to him starts back-pedaling in panic, as he doesn't know what it is. And the cop trips as he is retreating and falls down violently. The next cop reacts instinctively, thinking the retreating cop sees a gun and is in danger. And he starts firing at Amadou. The other cops respond in kind, thinking that "these guys know something I don't, that this guy is a threat" and they start firing too. It all happened very quickly. Then when they find out it's a wallet and they misread the whole thing they are traumatized and shaken. Quite a different picture than that which I've heard described, which is a comic book image of grinning, evil, trigger-happy racist cops, standing over Amadou in a semi-circle, gleefully pumping bullets into his body and reloading and firing more and giving high-fives and smoking cigars and saying to each other "he got what he deserved for not obeying our orders".
But all these details I've just included wouldn't easily fit on a picket sign or be boiled down to a simple-minded protest chant.



They fired 41 one rounds at him. That's an average to 10.25 rounds per officer. Obviously you can't fire 1/4 of a bullet, but still, that mean each officer had to almost empty his firearm while firing at one suspect. Now we all know he wasn't hit 41 times, and I understand the need to fire until the target has "gone down" but 41 shots is super excessive. Either these cops were trigger happy, or horrible, horrible shots and shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms because they are far more likely to hit an innocent bystander than anything they are aiming at.

All I know is I live in a town where a bunch of white cops white a shot a white guy 30+ times...fuck going out like that....when I get pulled over for a speeding ticket in broad daylight, I slowly point at my back pocket as I say "Can I grab my wallet, sir?"

I keep a 9mm next to my bed in case of a break in, and if something ever happened, I would call 911 and get my ass out of the area...no way am I waiting in my house when a bunch of officers storm my house looking for a perpetrator. A (white) guy on the news caught a home-invader and told his son to call 911 while he held the guy at gunpoint...the cops came in and shot in him the back like 10 times.

I'm sure racism is the root of some small percentage of these issues, but most of the time its probably the suspect doing something sketchy because he feels innocent. Think about the worst-case scenario going through their heads, or risk getting shot, its that simple.

Michael Moore is a giant douche, but fuck all if he isn't funny as shit sometimes.

Small edit, from about 6 minutes on to the end of the movie, you are listening to a piece of the fallout 3 soundtrack!

>> ^ulysses1904:
Michael Moore is such a simpleton. He exemplifies everything I hate about television and mass media and socio-political discussions. And no, I'm not a conservative, I used to like Michael Moore. I bought his "The Awful Truth" series on VHS when it came out. But I now see his movies as cheap, manipulative, over-edited 4-panel comic strips, just like so much of modern mass media.
It was a tragic mistake when the police shot and killed Amadou Diallo. From what I understand his English wasn't all that great and was probably confused with what the cops were telling him to do. He pulls out his wallet and the cop nearest to him starts back-pedaling in panic, as he doesn't know what it is. And the cop trips as he is retreating and falls down violently. The next cop reacts instinctively, thinking the retreating cop sees a gun and is in danger. And he starts firing at Amadou. The other cops respond in kind, thinking that "these guys know something I don't, that this guy is a threat" and they start firing too. It all happened very quickly. Then when they find out it's a wallet and they misread the whole thing they are traumatized and shaken. Quite a different picture than that which I've heard described, which is a comic book image of grinning, evil, trigger-happy racist cops, standing over Amadou in a semi-circle, gleefully pumping bullets into his body and reloading and firing more and giving high-fives and smoking cigars and saying to each other "he got what he deserved for not obeying our orders".
But all these details I've just included wouldn't easily fit on a picket sign or be boiled down to a simple-minded protest chant.


Talk about anti-michael moore propogandistic reaction..

You claim to be an ex-fan of moore. I suggest that if anyone else had made this, you'd be laughing. It's not in the same vein as the stuff you claim to dislike about him, it's just good old fashioned humour.

I watched without bias, and i thought it was very funny. You're definitely anti-michael moore whether you admit it or not.

>> ^NordlichReiter:
An Accidental killing is still Manslaughter. No matter what color you are wearing at the time.

Are you suggesting that intentionally discharging a firearm at somebodies torso can be reasonably claimed to be an "accidental" cause of death?

>> ^erikwdavis:
@jimnms: are you under the impression that cops routinely, or even in exceptional cases, face situations where 50 out of 100 people in a public situation are randomly armed and looking to kill a police officer? You've never spoken to a cop, have you?
The vast majority of officers are never required to fire their weapon ONCE in the line of duty. During their entire careers. Which is as it should be. Police firings, let alone murders of citizens, let alone murders of non-criminal, unarmed civilians, is unusual in all sorts of ways, and that is why civilian review boards are called for when a particular PD has a nasty habit of shooting such citizens almost exclusively when they are black.
police officers are not military soldiers. If you aren't aware of the difference, you're probably not qualified to be taken seriously.


I never said he would face all 100 targets at the same time, and I have two relatives and a friend who are cops. A cop will have to make the decision whether or not to draw his/her weapon more than 100 times in their career. Michael Moore does not to have to make that decision, but he's quick to criticize those who do.

I don't know if racism played a roll in any of these shootings, I wasn't there, but I think the racism card is played way too much. It's like the story of the boy who called wolf.

>> ^LordOderus
They fired 41 one rounds at him. That's an average to 10.25 rounds per officer. Obviously you can't fire 1/4 of a bullet, but still, that mean each officer had to almost empty his firearm while firing at one suspect. Now we all know he wasn't hit 41 times, and I understand the need to fire until the target has "gone down" but 41 shots is super excessive. Either these cops were trigger happy, or horrible, horrible shots and shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms because they are far more likely to hit an innocent bystander than anything they are aiming at.


No it's not, you just don't understand shooting. Here's why, and if you've ever been to a police college they'll tell you the same thing.

@25ft(I'll be nice)
Standing still 20% chance to hit someone.
Suspect moving 10-12% to hit.
Both moving 5-7% to hit.

And yep every cop still passes their gun qualification, and some even have sharpshooting qualifications. It really is that hard to hit someone. There was an incident in London, Ontario where a cop emptied 31 rounds I think it was and didn't hit them once. He was cleared, fully.

MM is an idiot, stuff like this proves it. If you've never been in a situation where you might be killed by someone elses actions because they're not complying you have no idea what it's like.

One time, I was lost in LA and ended up in South Central. I'm a lily-white, 170lb, clean-cut, 30 year old business professional. Dressed nicely, normal car, respectful demeanor. Nothing threatening about me at all. I approached a police officer at a convenience store to ask him for directions to the 405. I was trying to be respectful and pleasant, and I kind of gave him an, "Aw shucks, could you help me out with directions?" Without thinking, I put my hands in my pockets. The officer quickly postured, turned sideways, placed his hand on his firearm, and briskly asked me to take my hands out of my pockets and keep them in sight. I did, and apologized, and he was nice as can be. He gave me a cup of coffee and directions out of there.

I felt bad for the guy, having seen so much that he just didn't trust people anymore.

I think the video is great satire, and find it humorous based on that. But I also think it's a little unfair. If you're a cop, and you see the worst of people day in and day out, you start assuming the worst. Combine that inherit distrust of people with a rapidly deteriorating situation, and you have an environment where you can make mistakes that cost lives. It's unfortunate, but true.

The real question is, how do we make it better? Better training? Better procedures? I don't know. But the focus should be making things better for the cops and the citizens, not "haha, cops can't tell wallets from guns... stupid pigs."

^Now imagine if you had the profile of someone the police and general society were conditioned to think of as bad or threatening. And you had to deal with 'officer friendly' all the time. Unacceptable for law-abiding citizens. I think two solutions are to aggressively enforce punishments for cop transgressions, and to require that cops must live in the communities they police.

Why should anyone be made to live in a police state, where they are considered guilty until proven innocent, and cops have a Judge Dredd power to execute without punishment? While I feel some empathy towards that cop, my sympathy are reserved for the citizens he puts in danger.

>> ^Mashiki:
No it's not, you just don't understand shooting.

LO and I are former friends (for reasons which need not be brought up here). Trust me when I tell you he's a firearm encyclopedia.

is that the monster from Godzilla vs Megalon?

>> ^xxovercastxx:

LO and I are former friends (for reasons which need not be brought up here). Trust me when I tell you he's a firearm encyclopedia.

I couldn't care if you've manufactured your own firearms. Unless you've stood off face to face with someone and had to shoot at someone you still don't have a clue. Nor the psychological switches that go on.

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