Impeccable timing, Senator.

Which way is the wind blowing today, Senator?

We should be better than torture.

It is a MUCH harder way to exist.

But the road to true morality is harder.

The so-called right-wing condones torture to protect their ways, but they forget what Jesus said: turn the other cheek.

I am an atheist and I feel closer to Jesus than they do.

and with that said I'm gonna *quality this before the weekend starts

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by ponceleon.

Well said.

>> ^Xax:

Which way is the wind blowing today, Senator?


Of all his inconstancies, this is not one of them.

One common argument for supporting waterboarding/"enhanced interrogation techniques" is that terrorists wouldn't hesitate to torture and wouldn't care about prisoner rights.

While true, that still should have no bearing on how we choose to treat others. It really is the political equivalent of "but Johnny's parents let him do this." To which we would reply that it doesn't matter what Johnny's parents let him do or how other kids act, we are different.

A moral that acts one way only if someone treats you in the same fashion isn't a moral at all. Cheers to you, Senator McCain.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

>> ^Xax:
Which way is the wind blowing today, Senator?

Of all his inconstancies, this is not one of them.


I think McCain deserves credit for being a Republican who's chosen to tell the truth, when the rest of his party wants to lie about the facts. I also think he deserves credit for consistently saying the right things about torture.

But when it came time to vote on Democratic legislation to put the brakes on the Bush administration doing it, McCain voted with his party and helped keep it from passing. He's also towed the party line that the people who ordered, carried out, and gave legal cover for torture should not face any sort of consequences for their actions.

So, while I credit McCain for saying all the right things on this topic, I don't think he deserves too much in the way of accolades for his "stance" on torture, because when push comes to shove, he's chosen party loyalty over principle.

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^Xax:
Which way is the wind blowing today, Senator?

Of all his inconstancies, this is not one of them.

I think McCain deserves credit for being a Republican who's chosen to tell the truth, when the rest of his party wants to lie about the facts. I also think he deserves credit for consistently saying the right things about torture.
But when it came time to vote on Democratic legislation to put the brakes on the Bush administration doing it, McCain voted with his party and helped keep it from passing. He's also towed the party line that the people who ordered, carried out, and gave legal cover for torture should not face any sort of consequences for their actions.
So, while I credit McCain for saying all the right things on this topic, I don't think he deserves too much in the way of accolades for his "stance" on torture, because when push comes to shove, he's chosen party loyalty over principle.



I agree (BTW it's "Toed" not "Towed")

No, it's "towed", as in what a tow truck does, not "toed" as in tip-toes. The way he's using it is to say that McCain was the face of the movement within the party. The way you've interpreted it would mean that he was being very prudent not to go quite too far. I believe you are mistaken in your interpretation, sir.

Easy enough to look up...
"Toe the line" is an idiomatic expression meaning to conform to a rule or a standard.
"Tow the line" redirects...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line


Good on McCain, BTW.

>> ^kaztheberserk:

No, it's "towed", as in what a tow truck does, not "toed" as in tip-toes. The way he's using it is to say that McCain was the face of the movement within the party. The way you've interpreted it would mean that he was being very prudent not to go quite too far. I believe you are mistaken in your interpretation, sir.


Nope, Boise was right, I was wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line

It's about lining up with your group, with your toes on the same line. I've always figured it was some sort of obscure fishing metaphor (everyone pulling on the same "line").

Every once in a while McCain is still the man.