Life after 44 years in prison

A man discusses his life in present-day New York after spending 44 years in prison. He was 25 when he entered the system.

His indomitable spirit is contagious.
Lawdeedawsays...

I don't mean to detract or lessen this, but the only philosophical material here was the last 20 seconds where he basically said "Don't blame and don't hold grudges." Otherwise, the entire video was like a wide-eyed kid in a candy store. It was not really all that stark, and kind of reminds me of an Amish that decides to leave his enclave. Perhaps the quality people see is the dreaming they believe they experience? Perhaps it is the fact that free people waste more on hate and frivolous, benign shit than this guy did locked up. Perhaps the video is really just pointless without our injection of a point.

blacklotus90said:

beat me to it. *quality life philosophy here

Lawdeedawsays...

I wish he had realized his spirit was so strong before he got to prison. I am glad though that the years he had to learn in the system, that unlike so many others, he did learn.

newtboysays...

It certainly sounds to me like that's EXACTLY what you mean to do, from your comment.

Many people never consider what being in prison for decades does to a person, or how they see the world when they are released, and instead expect the convict to jump right into society and be a productive citizen from day one. For those people, this video might give insight into how a person might be completely incapable of even understanding the world today, much less being a productive part of it without some kind of help...help he's not asking for BTW, but help that he requires if he's to be productive or even just to understand today's world.

Lawdeedawsaid:

I don't mean to detract or lessen this .....

newtboysays...

What gave you the impression that he didn't feel/think that way when he went in? I didn't hear him talk about how he felt/thought before being convicted, only how he feels/thinks now that he's out.
Did I miss something?

Lawdeedawsaid:

I wish he had realized his spirit was so strong before he got to prison. I am glad though that the years he had to learn in the system, that unlike so many others, he did learn.

Lawdeedawsays...

Yes, true that many people don't consider ex-convicts' plight, and this is sad, but if we so choose to think deeper than just the surface issue it's not philosophy from him, rather philosophy from us.

This video is a documentary of what has changed in society that might make people think about his/her needs upon egress from jail/prison (Unlikely since people are often shallow and stupid.) Is it nice to watch, and then apply our own reflections to the content? Absolutely. That's why I upvoted the video (After careful considerations.)

newtboysaid:

It certainly sounds to me like that's EXACTLY what you mean to do, from your comment.

Many people never consider what being in prison for decades does to a person, or how they see the world when they are released, and instead expect the convict to jump right into society and be a productive citizen from day one. For those people, this video might give insight into how a person might be completely incapable of even understanding the world today, much less being a productive part of it without some kind of help...help he's not asking for BTW, but help that he requires if he's to be productive or even just to understand today's world.

Lawdeedawsays...

You must have missed the part where he recapped what he loved/missed, and how he gave those things up for whatever reason he did (Such as peer pressure, societal judgment, poverty, anger, etc.) The fact that he didn't make excuses truly gives me respect for who the man is, but an indomitable will means not faltering and he did in the past. It was a mistake, and who hasn't made a mistake--even a grievous one? By comparing this great man to what he once was is an injustice to what he has become, and I wouldn't slap him in the face as that comparison ironically has.

Now, he could have had a great will, good will, worthwhile will, but the word indomitable is vastly different from those puny words. He could have tried his best and failed. But again, that is different than staying strong against the others rather than forfeiting the things you most love for the lifestyle that is incompatible and with those precious things.

newtboysaid:

What gave you the impression that he didn't feel/think that way when he went in? I didn't hear him talk about how he felt/thought before being convicted, only how he feels/thinks now that he's out.
Did I miss something?

newtboysays...

No, I didn't miss that part. It simply had no bearing on whether his 'spirit was strong' before he committed his crime. He barely touched on his crime, or his life before conviction, so we know little to nothing about WHY he tried to hurt/kill an officer. It seems you are making a pure assumption.
EDIT: It is most likely that he did not consider the implications of his actions when he attacked an officer for whatever reason he did it...and we have no idea if he was high, trying to escape arrest, just mad at cops, self defense, beating up his girlfriend/wife's boyfriend, trying to kill his daughter's rapist, etc. We know nothing about him before prison except he had a family, and nothing about his crime other than he was charged with attempted murder of a police officer. It might be as simple as he didn't stop fast enough when a cop jumped into the road to stop him, and he had a terrible lawyer...we just don't know.
Where and why did you pull the idea of 'indomitable will' from? No one ever said anything about that. You know there's no such thing, right?
I can barely follow your post, and it does not touch on the topic my post was about....which was....how do you know he didn't feel 'strong of spirit' before he went to prison?

Lawdeedawsaid:

You must have missed the part where he recapped what he loved/missed, and how he gave those things up for whatever reason he did (Such as peer pressure, societal judgment, poverty, anger, etc.) The fact that he didn't make excuses truly gives me respect for who the man is, but an indomitable will means not faltering and he did in the past. It was a mistake, and who hasn't made a mistake--even a grievous one? By comparing this great man to what he once was is an injustice to what he has become, and I wouldn't slap him in the face as that comparison ironically has.

Now, he could have had a great will, good will, worthwhile will, but the word indomitable is vastly different from those puny words. He could have tried his best and failed. But again, that is different than staying strong against the others rather than forfeiting the things you most love for the lifestyle that is incompatible and with those precious things.

Lawdeedawsays...

It is in the description of the video newt..."his indomitable spirit (will, soul, lifeforce, etc, whatever you want to call it,) is contagious."

newtboysaid:

No, I didn't miss that part. It simply had no bearing on whether his 'spirit was strong' before he committed his crime. He barely touched on his crime, or his life before conviction, so we know little to nothing about WHY he tried to hurt/kill an officer. It seems you are making a pure assumption.
EDIT: It is most likely that he did not consider the implications of his actions when he attacked an officer for whatever reason he did it...and we have no idea if he was high, trying to escape arrest, just mad at cops, self defense, beating up his girlfriend/wife's boyfriend, trying to kill his daughter's rapist, etc. We know nothing about him before prison except he had a family, and nothing about his crime other than he was charged with attempted murder of a police officer. It might be as simple as he didn't stop fast enough when a cop jumped into the road to stop him, and he had a terrible lawyer...we just don't know.
Where and why did you pull the idea of 'indomitable will' from? No one ever said anything about that. You know there's no such thing, right?
I can barely follow your post, and it does not touch on the topic my post was about....which was....how do you know he didn't feel 'strong of spirit' before he went to prison?

newtboysays...

Ahhh. I didn't read that. My mistake.

Lawdeedawsaid:

It is in the description of the video newt..."his indomitable spirit (will, soul, lifeforce, etc, whatever you want to call it,) is contagious."

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