Credit where it's due - I was inspired to sift this by mintbbb's http://www.videosift.com/video/Instructional-Video-BSG-All-Along-The-Watchtower-on-Piano

Obligatory BSG upvote, and nice work by composer Bear McCreary, but why would the writers waste our time with this dull, plodding episode? This is the 4th to last show fer chrisakes! Why are we wasting so much time with Kara and some random piano player. This once great show is going out with a whimper.

(Oh, and I predict Kara will end up being the Cylon's 'one true God', for the record.)

^whoa, dft you've completely missed the point of this episode. It was no random piano player. It was in fact a figment of Kara's imagination - her 'dad', if there ever was one. The realization I mentioned in the description is the one of her having memory (imprints) of the song (Hera's notes merely provided cues for her to follow), which quite clearly leads to conclude that Kara IS Daniel, number 7, THE 13th Cylon model (who was artistic (piano, paintings, remind you of anyone?) and whose DNA had been radically altered, as we learned in the previous episode).

Now tell me that's not a modest bang in its own right-us finally knowing who Kara is I'm telling you, this wasn't even the calm before the storm, this episode was the beginning of the storm

^Boooooring.

Forgive my bitterness, but I feel like BSG's jilted lover. The first season? The New Caprica occupation? All that sneaking around on Old Caprica? Admiral Kaine and the Pegasus? So many great times that we shared together, but now the mythology has become such a convoluted load of shaggy-dogged bullcrap. They've suspended disbelief so far past the breaking point that it's almost parody at this point. So many loose ends forgotten about. So many failed plot contrivances brushed under the carpet.

What did I do to deserve this BSG? I was always faithful to you. I even got chastised from my ISP from bittorrenting you! I want out of this loveless relationship, BSG! You promised me explosions, zero-G space battles and Machiavellian power struggles, but now all you can muster is warmed over soap opera drivel.

In fairness, I was multitasking while watching this last episode, and issy hasn't seen it yet, so I'll probably end up watching it again without divided attention.

Let's hope they knock the last few out of the park.

I hope that they can do something interesting for the last episode so I can forget this whole season of throw away episodes.

According to his blog, Ron Moore seemed to really enjoy the plodding and meandering nature of the final season of Sopranos. He even said that he was glad that David Chase thumbed his nose at the "tyranny of the narrative drive", so I don't have high hopes for the end of BSG.

The most recent seasons have been pretty disappointing, especially if you go back and watch the first first two, it's like watching two different shows.

Yes I think DFT also summed up my feelings far better than I could have

I've been pretty disappointed by the crawling pace of BSG lately, great show, I'm not kocking it but it really is going out on a whimper.

I just turned the first bars of it into my mobile ringtone

http://skydexter.free.fr/cylon.mp3

Add me to the list of those who have been disappointed by the lead up to the show's finale. The first part of the finale itself was quite good, however, so I have hope that Ron Moore won't completely fuck things up.

Did anyone else watch this clip over and over when it aired? Loved it, although it was a long crawl through the episode.

>> ^EDD:
^whoa, dft you've completely missed the point of this episode. It was no random piano player. It was in fact a figment of Kara's imagination - her 'dad', if there ever was one. The realization I mentioned in the description is the one of her having memory (imprints) of the song (Hera's notes merely provided cues for her to follow), which quite clearly leads to conclude that Kara IS Daniel, number 7, THE 13th Cylon model (who was artistic (piano, paintings, remind you of anyone?) and whose DNA had been radically altered, as we learned in the previous episode).

Umm... Occam's Razor? Isn't it far more likely that Kara Thrace is, in fact, the first Hybrid, and that Daniel was her father? I mean, she does stuff that Hera does (drawing the supernova over and over as a child). Look--we see him. We see the silly rituals they did when she was little. Starbuck's mom sure thought he was a real dude, and Kara even has a cassette tape of one of his performances. Admittedly, we've never "seen" him before, but he has loomed rather large in her life.

What I really like about this is that they've really drawn out the whole Greek Mythology angle, with the 'final five' (in fact, the FIRST five) lusting after their children and grand-children, unaware that in this, there is only sterility.

I've always thought Kara was a hybrid, but I thought that perhaps Saul Tigh was her real father, and that he had no idea. Rewatching the first season, I see that it puts a whole new spin on their relationship.

Oh, and I couldn't be happier about how all this is resolving. They had me at "naked singularity".

You have spoiled it pretty well already, you fucking fuck.

Some of us do not live in the US and have not seen all the episodes yet.

You sir, are a douche of galactic proportions.

*remove clip and douchebag

^Watch it earlier, and lock yourself inside until you do.

In another case, no body say a fucking word about Watchmen, I'm seeing it tomorrow!

To theorize a bit, I would say that her father was probably Daniel, the 13th model, and Starbuck is the first hybrid. Or it could end religiously, where she's like jesus and saves us all and yadda yadda. Dear sweet beelzebub, I hope not.

Now dft, you're being unfair towards BSG, up to the point of being hypocritical. If one values the show for its merits in terms of allegory, the ethical and moral conflicts and noir like you say you do (extrapolating from your examples), one could be expecting a fitting finale in terms of closure and retained style, not in terms of traditional (and utterly unoriginal) "awesome-go-out-with-a-bang" type of storytelling (which will, of course be served, come on, this is television, the industry of entertainment we're talking about).

I haven't seen the 19th episode yet, but the very idea of Galactica 'dying' - doesn't it have enough finality and noir to it for you? And what are the loose ends that are left? I for one feel like they're addressing these too excessively. They're obviously tying the Hera/Shape of things to come/Opera motif up, as well as the Roslin/Dying leader prophecy by entwining her fate with that of the old girl. No, leaving storylines up in the air isn't something they'll do.

And I'm quite sure they won't do a Sopranos ending, that's just cheating when one can't write themselves out of a corner, which the Galactica writers have already shown they're capable of doing just fine.

As for Daniel - I agree with timtoner that him being Kara's father makes more sense in the universe's mythology, but I'm also assuming they wouldn't introduce such a major character on-screen this late in the series when they're perfectly capable of finding other, if less-rational explanations for Kara's destiny. Again, I might be wrong, not having seen the 19th episode yet.

>> ^Smugglarn:
You have spoiled it pretty well already, you fucking fuck.
Some of us do not live in the US and have not seen all the episodes yet.
You sir, are a douche of galactic proportions.
remove clip and douchebag


Did someone twist your arm and force you to watch this? You've got no-one to blame but yourself. You were warned it was a spoiler, yet you still watched it. Then you blame the poster for your ignorance. Class act my friend.. Class act.

>> ^Smugglarn:
You have spoiled it pretty well already, you fucking fuck.
Some of us do not live in the US and have not seen all the episodes yet.
You sir, are a douche of galactic proportions.
remove clip and douchebag


Then you don't want to know about Adama calling for volunteers for a one-way rescue mission of Hera, who was kidnapped by Boomer and taken to a Cylon colony ship ensconced near a naked singularity. Also, the doctor is Daniel, and Starbuck is his daughter. Adama finds out and blows Starbuck out an airlock and ends up crying his brains out, in the end deciding to abandon Galactica. But he doesn't realize that Kara was "special", and Boomer rescues her while she is making her getaway with Hera. I still don't understand why Starbuck's eyes and back were glowing red while she was floating in space, but I hope we'll find out this week. Oops! I probably should have put this at the beginning of my comment, but !!SPOILER ALERT!!

I don't get it.

>> ^EDD:
It was no random piano player. It was in fact a figment of Kara's imagination - her 'dad', if there ever was one.

Thanks for mentioning this: I only noticed the 'invisible dad' on the second or third time through. There is one glaring flaw with your current theory: Dreilide Thrace (Kara's dad) definitively exists. He's a famous musician and we even see one of his recordings.

>> ^escape421521:
>> ^EDD:
It was no random piano player. It was in fact a figment of Kara's imagination - her 'dad', if there ever was one.

Thanks for mentioning this: I only noticed the 'invisible dad' on the second or third time through. There is one glaring flaw with your current theory: Dreilide Thrace (Kara's dad) definitively exists. He's a famous musician and we even see one of his recordings.


He did exist, but he easily could have been Daniel. I believe it was mentioned that all copies of Daniel were corrupted, but no mention was made of Daniel himself. IMO, Daniel, the artist, was Dreilide.

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