Hagel On Iraq--A Republican Speaks His Mind (!?!)

Farhad2000says...

Wow... Is all I have to say... This man needs to run in '08.

Notice at 3:31, Hagel barely controls himself from swearing out of passion.

The only senator I have ever seen that understands the problems in Palestine and Iraq.

Dr_Qsays...

Almost heard a f-bomb here.

Glad to see there's still some real politicians in the world. We (as in, "We, the world") could really use more people not afraid to talk their mind like he does.

BicycleRepairMansays...

Damn, He actually seems like a good guy, with real opinions. Question is whether he does like so many other republicans are doing these days, turning their back on everything they stood and voted for a couple of years ago.. If someone said this before the patriot act, before the iraq war etc. ("lets debate it, its too important to ignore") But alas, back then the bush/cheney/rove/rumsfeld war machine had the entire country by the balls, and everyone just went with anything. Hopefully they have now learned not to do that again.

quantumushroomsays...

"Stop the political stuff?" Powerful.

RINO Hagel is not only wrong, he's dead wrong.

When the US had "high regard" in the Middle East, that was time our enemies used to stock up and organize. 9-11 happened during a time when we had "good standing" with whom? The world's appeasement weasels and tinpots?

Bin Laden observed a Democrat Commander-in-Chief's cut-and-run "strategy" in Somalia and pronounced the US a "paper tiger."

Displays of weakness are unacceptable. This enemy respects only brute force.

Unfortunate.

For them.



westysays...

lol it was and always has been blatently obvouse that if u invade iraqu then it wud make usa unpopuler in the east and increas terorisum and destbalize the country , the fact is if usa wants to keep working in the way it is then thay need more oil. usa,s ecomnomy will fail in the next 10 years if the country dosent have more oil + the militry industreal complex ontop of this whitch is a large part of usa,s finances. lol usa is just mucking up the rest of the world for the few that are ritch and american. thats just a fact. the problem is there are more non asmericans so usa is just gona have to get used to terrorisum and wars becuse thats what happens when u opress everyone you disogree with,

James Roesays...

zomg QM,

I think my head just exploded. The republican congress went ape shit on bill for even going into Somalia, but now he is cut and run??? You are also hanging Hagel out to dry, you are aware he is on your side are you not? That said watching the republican'ts implode upon themselves is a delicious delicious victory 12 years in the making. I just wish I could enjoy it without all of the problems associated with 12 years of their inept rule.

gwaansays...

QM - "Displays of weakness are unacceptable. This enemy respects only brute force. " - what kind of bullshit philosophy is that to live by?

Firstly, peaceful negotiations are not a sign of weakness. Working with the UN is not a sign of weakness. Talking to Iran and Syria is not a sign of weakness. Talking to Muqtada al-Sadr is not a sign of weakness. America should never have gone into Iraq the way they did - illegally, unprepared, ill-informed, and without a mandate from the international community. Britain shouldn't have followed - blame Blair, he is a complete idiot and the most hated PM in British history. Unfortunately, British support meant that Bush and his neocon army began to believe their own lies.

Secondly, how the hell did we end up in a world where people think that the only way to achieve anything is by threatening or killing people? No one respects brute force. It may temporarily coerce people into submission. But it fosters hate, resentment, and revolt in the long-term - just look at Palestine. Ghandi and Mandela achieved an awful lot without heavy artillery and torture!!!

Thirdly, you are assuming that you can easily define who the enemy is - you can't!!! if America had done some research before they invaded, had consulted anyone who knew anything about Iraq, they would have realised just how complex the political, religious and ethnic division in iraq are. Before the illegal invasion of Iraq, there had been increasing hostility between Shi'a and Sunni - due in a large part to the extreme form of unitarian Hanbali Islam (known in the West as Wahhabism or Salafism) spread by Saudi with the help of petrodollars. Wahhabis are particularly vocal in their condemnation of the Shi'a - branding all Shi'a as heretics. Couple this with the appalling treatment of the Shi'a under Saddam and the regional power aspirations of Iran and Syria and you have a potent recipe for disaster. The last thing anyone should have done was ignite a sectarian conflict - which is now effectively a civil war - in the most religiously divided country in the Middle East.

Furthermore, the unquestioning support of the US and Britain for Israel's illegal invasion of Lebanon, has inadvertently increased the power of Hezbollah - a Shi'a party. Hezbollah were widely heralded as the defenders of Lebanon against the unjustified brute force used by Israel to collectively punish the Lebanese people. The inability of the Lebanese government to respond to Israeli aggression - which was directed not just at Hezbollah but at all the peoples of Lebanon - has given Hezbollah a chance to seize power. The Sunni, Christian and Druze of Lebanon do not want to be ruled by a conservative Shi'a party so there is an increasing likelihood of a second sectarian civil war in Lebanon.

So where has brute force got us?

Thousands dead in Palestine and Israel. Thousands dead in Lebanon. Thousands dead in Iraq.

As the prospect of a wider sectarian conflict consuming the whole of the Middle East becomes ever more likely, I think it's time that we stopped advocating brute force, stopped saying you're either with us or against us, and started advocating dialogue.

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