Growth of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

legacy0100says...

Latter-day saints are mormons? I didn't know that.

Anyways, I got nothing against mormons, especially the ones with polygamist beliefs. That'll teach them womens to keep their business in them kitchuns.

gorgonheapsays...

Yes members of the LDS church are known commonly as Mormons. And the church denounces the practice of polygamy and excommunicates members involved in it. Sorry Legacy.

lordnullsays...

This should have a propaganda tag attached to it as well. The little sparkles and triumphant music make it seems as though the one true religion was spreading throughout the world

gorgonheapsays...

Maybe it is the one true religion? This was actually a video produced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in 2005, it is part of a video designed to help member of the LDS church show the growth that has taken place since the exodus to Utah. for more information about the church visit www.mormon.org. Way I see it the best way to learn of a religion is to ask the people who practice it. I'm not going to ask Jews abotu Muslims, or Catholics about Prodistents.

gorgonheapsays...

I'm thinking the Liburn W. Boggs didn't do much to halt it. Coincidering the 13 million plus members the church has now as opposed to the mere hundrends he had executed by state milita.

Traconsays...

the fastest growing church has to be the flying spagetti monster. Were is your flow chart for them. Considering it only started last year, and the rate of adoption by atheists, i would have to say LDS just got there ass's handed to them in the "fastest growing" department. as far as the conversions per hour. FSM has touched millions per hour with his noodleness. So thats 1,000,000 Cph vs 26 million Coversions per what 125 years. Yeah FSM wins in the CPH department. Plus we have pirates and midgets and beer foutains when we die so yeah thats game kids.

gorgonheapsays...

Is that why atheists still make up less then 1% of the population in the US. I'd like to see you prove that their isn't a God. It's a matter of faith mixed with intillect not intillect alone. How come Atheists are so eager to shove their reilgon down other peoples throats?

lordnullsays...

Gorgon, all I did was point out this was propaganda. I would have said the same thing is this was Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Voodoo, or even FSM. There is no need to get defensive.

From a scientific stand-point, one assumes non-existance until proven otherwise. We cannot state abosolutely that there are no gods, but the lack of evidence places the chance very low; the same with fairies, bigfoot, and teapots orbiting the earth.

Finally, atheism is not a religion nor a unified group. We have no common goals, agenda, or even culture. You will find the zealous atheists would wish no-one believed in god, but most of us simply want those are religious to stop shoving thier religion down our throats.

gorgonheapsays...

Your right it is propaganda, but my point was that it's not something circulated amongst the public for the intent of encouraging a ceartin behavior.

The key is "from a scientific stand-point" Only one view point would narrow the chances of someone believeing anything about God. Which would only make sense if you held science as the supreme truth.

I'm sorry that you feel people shove religion down your throats but with over 90% of the US population claiming the existance of a God, even if no one is intending it's going to feel like it's always in your face.

Perhaps I've just had a bad experence with the zealous atheists. Personally I'm a bit defensive of the mormons because most christen religions don't even see them as being christen. But from the ones I've meet and what I've studied about them. Mormons are more christian then any other denomination calms to be.

So I'll admit I have a tendency to defend them from all the people who seem to love to hate something they don't know or haven't even studied.

bigbikemansays...

"It's a matter of faith mixed with intillect not intillect alone"

"Your right it is propaganda, but my point was that it's not something circulated amongst the public for the intent of encouraging a ceartin behavior."

Well, it's faith mixed with something, but rest assured, "intillect" isn't it.

k8_fansays...

Mormons are Christian in the same way that Muslims are Jewish; i.e. they have their own new prophet and holy book, they accept the percepts and prophet of the older religion but their new prophet and book supersede the older ones.

Saw a great sig line:

"Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby."

BicycleRepairMansays...

Its so fascinating that religions try to democratize truth, No matter if every person in the world becomes a mormon, doesnt change the fact that its all based on one crazy mans ramblings after spending too much time in the woods.

If we use rationality and logic, god is disproved,discarded and abolished as an explanation a long time ago. The concept "god" doesnt explain one bloody thing, it rather needs one hell of an explanation in itself.

There is also a big difference between what is true, and what we WANT to be true. "Faith" is a word used to justify believing in the latter. There is lots of other things I dont want to be true. I dont want people to starve to death, suffer war, epidemics and oppression, yet its a FACT that they do. My world might also have been nicer if there was a god answering my prayers, unfortunately, there isnt one. Logic tells me this as clearly as logic tells me there is no Santa, (which also would have been neat.)

BicycleRepairMansays...

"Which would only make sense if you held science as the supreme truth."

This is a typical religious argument.. Have you thought about what it means? Dont mean to sound rude, but look: Science is not a set of ideas, its not a religion, its a way of thinking Science is the idea that we should investigate, try to find answers etc. its not like Darwin or Einstein carved something into a rock and we all should follow it. on the contrary, the whole point is to put their ideas, and any ideas, to the test.

In a way, your belief in a God is as much science as anything, you got information, your brain processed it, and you came to a conclusion. What I'm saying is just that its really, really bad science, because you ignore vast mountains of evidence, the mind-boggling improbability, and completely disregard questions your conclusions raises. This is because your religion tells you to do these things; Do not doubt, have faith, be strong, dont use your brain that God gave you, and everything will be fine and you are saved from eternal hell. Ignorance is strength.

gorgonheapsays...

Ok, now use your "vast" mountain of evidence to disprove God. I have yet to have anyone prove that an all powerful being does not exist. In short, you can't prove anything. Religion isn't something you prove to others, it's something you prove to yourself.

rickegeesays...

In Sicily in 1961, a group of agrarian scientists actually did disprove the existence of the flying spaghetti monster by demonstrating the sturdy but earthbound qualities of semolina. The research is inconclusive as to whether a swimming, rolling, or crawling spaghetti monster could yet exist.


BicycleRepairMansays...

Ok, now use your "vast" mountain of evidence to disprove God.

The evidence of Gods absence is all around us, no matter how deep into things we get, whether its backwards in time, outwards in space, or downwards in the microscope, basically all the sciences there is, we have not found one single shred of evidence that an omnipotent, omnicient god has had any effect on any of it. So far, no matter how much we have looked, we have never gotten to the point where we can safely say "This is just outright a bloody miracle, God did this" Or rather the truth is that lots of people have said just that, and everyone who have actually said it, has later turned out to be wrong.

To a religious person this still isnt actually evidence against God, but if the same could be said about, say, the theory of evolution (that no matter how hard we looked, we couldnt find traces of evolution..)the theory would be not just dead, but completely foolish to even suggest. However it turns out that the more we look, the more obvious it becomes that evolution is a fact.

And evolution itself is more than enough evidence to conclude that the biblical ideas of how life came about is a load of rubbish, "Humans created in Gods image" and so on.

gorgonheapsays...

Evolution is still a theory, not proven fact. Anyone who's has a logical scientific bone in their body will tell you that much. And scientific theory's have been disproved. Like the earth being flat, or Alchemy. You've already made up your mind and still have nothing solid to prove that there is no existence of God. I don't know how you can say there is no God when you have no evidence there isn't. I'm sorry but all you have is the notion that people who do believe are "foolish" or its "a load of rubbish". God plays by the rules he sets, the fact that there is an order and structure to things shows that there is more then just a random collection of matter. This is evidence of a higher intelligence, or creator. When in the history of man have we seen or even been able to replicate something similar? I'm not talking cloning or DNA mapping I'm talking about taking random amounts of elements and giving life and structure to something. When have we ever seen a mutation of life that changed the way an entire species lived and developed. You have no proof of this.

Your welcome to your beliefs, but that's all they are is beliefs. I can't prove God to you. You can't prove that life is void of God. It's an internal matter that goes beyond either of our understandings. But evidence, many times, is based on what paradigm your looking at it from.

BicycleRepairMansays...

Evolution is still a theory, not proven fact.

This is a misconception. You fail to understand the word "theory" in scientific terms. The earth orbiting the sun is also a theory in scientific terms. The fact that they call evolution a theory isnt because its just a guess. You need to read up on genetics and evolution to understand this, I recommend reading "The Selfish Gene" To see just how tautological evolution is.

Evolution is a fact. This isnt "fanatical belief" anymore than stating that the planet is a sphere.

You've already made up your mind and still have nothing solid to prove that there is no existence of God.

Imagine just for a second that I'm right and that there is no God, What kind of evidence do you suppose I would come up with in a godless world? The burden of proof lies on those who have a claim something exist. Just like with the non-existing pink elephant sitting in my living room, I can only point to the distinct LACK of evidence of its existence. And as I said theres plenty of that.

God plays by the rules he sets, the fact that there is an order and structure to things shows that there is more then just a random collection of matter. This is evidence of a higher intelligence, or creator

Again, Please read "The Selfish Gene", (Torrent)It explains how replicators become rocket scientists through natural, blind gene selection. It shows specifically WHY and HOW there is an "order and structure of things" and why it appears to be designed by the best designer imaginable.. No designer is needed to explain the vast diversity of life. Contrary to what some creationist wrongly claim, evolution is not "random" or "by chance" its tautological, That witch survives, survives.

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