Well, it -is- Louisiana...it's not even really hypocrisy, just stupidity. I don't think most of them are smart enough to even see the issue.

Moving this video to marbles's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

A moment of silence can be a prayer. What is so difficult about that notion? Are they any less blessed if they keep their mouths shut and think it?

This is exactly why there should be separation of church and state.

What a huge room full of bullies.

Bullies? I don't think so. What's the big deal either way? If the majority of the students want to take a minute out of their ceremony and pray, so what? Let those fools pray. Noone has to participate. How are they hurting anyone to say a few religious words aloud?

If anyone is a bully, it's the kid who filed a lawsuit to defy them the right to pray. Now that is troll behavior. I am glad they defied the injunction.

double post

^longde:
Oooh and the schools could actively promote corporations that they find favorable - the kids don't have to buy from them. Hell, let's just turn the whole school into a free for all promoting gig for any particular flavor of the week that the school board happens to like at the moment - fuck equality!




What do you mean "could"? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/colawars032399.htm

Your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.

It's really quite simple: Schools should not show preference to any religion. Period. That's what this principal just did. Whether or not there's a majority of people wanting to pray has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I hope they get sued.

>> ^longde:

Bullies? I don't think so. What's the big deal either way? If the majority of the students want to take a minute out of their ceremony and pray, so what? Let those fools pray. Noone has to participate. How are they hurting anyone to say a few religious words aloud?
If anyone is a bully, it's the kid who filed a lawsuit to defy them the right to pray. Now that is troll behavior. I am glad they defied the injunction.

>> ^braindonut:

Your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It's really quite simple: Schools should not show preference to any religion. Period. That's what this principal just did. Whether or not there's a majority of people wanting to pray has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I hope they get sued.
>> ^longde:
Bullies? I don't think so. What's the big deal either way? If the majority of the students want to take a minute out of their ceremony and pray, so what? Let those fools pray. Noone has to participate. How are they hurting anyone to say a few religious words aloud?
If anyone is a bully, it's the kid who filed a lawsuit to defy them the right to pray. Now that is troll behavior. I am glad they defied the injunction.



Preference? Nobody who was christian got a better grade...they got a minute to do a prayer. News flash people are different and they get treated differently.

So, your argument is that by leading the graduating class in a prayer, they weren't showing a preference towards the god they were praying to, over the numerous other religions they could have been honoring?

hmmm... yeah, that makes no sense at all.

It's not hard to keep religion out of schools. It's simple. Easy as hell. And the best move, in ALL cases.
>> ^Yogi:

>> ^braindonut:
Your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It's really quite simple: Schools should not show preference to any religion. Period. That's what this principal just did. Whether or not there's a majority of people wanting to pray has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I hope they get sued.
>> ^longde:
Bullies? I don't think so. What's the big deal either way? If the majority of the students want to take a minute out of their ceremony and pray, so what? Let those fools pray. Noone has to participate. How are they hurting anyone to say a few religious words aloud?
If anyone is a bully, it's the kid who filed a lawsuit to defy them the right to pray. Now that is troll behavior. I am glad they defied the injunction.


Preference? Nobody who was christian got a better grade...they got a minute to do a prayer. News flash people are different and they get treated differently.

>> ^braindonut:

So, your argument is that by leading the graduating class in a prayer, they weren't showing a preference towards the god they were praying to, over the numerous other religions they could have been honoring?
hmmm... yeah, that makes no sense at all.
It's not hard to keep religion out of schools. It's simple. Easy as hell. And the best move, in ALL cases.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^braindonut:
Your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It's really quite simple: Schools should not show preference to any religion. Period. That's what this principal just did. Whether or not there's a majority of people wanting to pray has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I hope they get sued.
>> ^longde:
Bullies? I don't think so. What's the big deal either way? If the majority of the students want to take a minute out of their ceremony and pray, so what? Let those fools pray. Noone has to participate. How are they hurting anyone to say a few religious words aloud?
If anyone is a bully, it's the kid who filed a lawsuit to defy them the right to pray. Now that is troll behavior. I am glad they defied the injunction.


Preference? Nobody who was christian got a better grade...they got a minute to do a prayer. News flash people are different and they get treated differently.



I'm sick of this PC shit. Everyone acts like they deserve things like never to be offended. If you don't like something don't participate, same with TV change the damn channel. It's completely narcissistic for you to say that because I'm an atheist everyone has to stop what they're doing and take me into account.

It's a fucking graduation, it's completely voluntary, I didn't even go to mine. So quit being a whiny little bitch and thinking that the whole world revolves around you. I'm an atheist too but I'm not gonna put up with whiny fucking atheists crying about unequal treatment, live under slavery and then come talk to me.

So you don't mind when governmental bodies show preference or reverence to certain religions. That's cool, but you don't have to distract from the real subject by ranting about PC crap and whiny atheist bitches being offended - since that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I stand by my previous statement. It's STUPID EASY to keep religion outside of schools and where it belongs.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^braindonut:
So, your argument is that by leading the graduating class in a prayer, they weren't showing a preference towards the god they were praying to, over the numerous other religions they could have been honoring?
hmmm... yeah, that makes no sense at all.
It's not hard to keep religion out of schools. It's simple. Easy as hell. And the best move, in ALL cases.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^braindonut:
Your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It's really quite simple: Schools should not show preference to any religion. Period. That's what this principal just did. Whether or not there's a majority of people wanting to pray has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I hope they get sued.
>> ^longde:
Bullies? I don't think so. What's the big deal either way? If the majority of the students want to take a minute out of their ceremony and pray, so what? Let those fools pray. Noone has to participate. How are they hurting anyone to say a few religious words aloud?
If anyone is a bully, it's the kid who filed a lawsuit to defy them the right to pray. Now that is troll behavior. I am glad they defied the injunction.


Preference? Nobody who was christian got a better grade...they got a minute to do a prayer. News flash people are different and they get treated differently.


I'm sick of this PC shit. Everyone acts like they deserve things like never to be offended. If you don't like something don't participate, same with TV change the damn channel. It's completely narcissistic for you to say that because I'm an atheist everyone has to stop what they're doing and take me into account.
It's a fucking graduation, it's completely voluntary, I didn't even go to mine. So quit being a whiny little bitch and thinking that the whole world revolves around you. I'm an atheist too but I'm not gonna put up with whiny fucking atheists crying about unequal treatment, live under slavery and then come talk to me.

>> ^braindonut:

So you don't mind when governmental bodies show preference or reverence to certain religions. That's cool, but you don't have to distract from the real subject by ranting about PC crap and whiny atheist bitches being offended - since that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I stand by my previous statement. It's STUPID EASY to keep religion outside of schools and where it belongs.



You want to show me where someone was negatively impacted by this prayer? Or do you want to compare this to something serious?

Just because it's "Stupid easy" to do something, doesn't mean it should be done, they obviously don't want it to. You're basically going somewhere and telling other people what to do, surprise they don't like that.

I had to sit through 30 second long prayers before every high school football game, it didn't bother me I was simply observing something that other people wanted to do. I'm not gonna go to the school and tell them they can't have a basketball team because I don't want to play basketball.

Again you're just narcissistic thinking it's all about you, it isn't so shut up.

>> ^Yogi:

Everyone acts like they deserve things like never to be offended. If you don't like something don't participate...

Last time I checked, going to school was compulsory. Even if you don't go to public school, you are still forced to pay for it. Taxes are compulsory.

I'm not offended when someone prays. I am offended when someone wants to force me to financially support prayer. That's what churches are for. I don't pay taxes to have religious indoctrination centers. I pay taxes to have government indoctrination centers. And that's its own "religion".

>> ^marbles:

>> ^Yogi:
Everyone acts like they deserve things like never to be offended. If you don't like something don't participate...
Last time I checked, going to school was compulsory. Even if you don't go to public school, you are still forced to pay for it. Taxes are compulsory.
I'm not offended when someone prays. I am offended when someone wants to force me to financially support prayer. That's what churches are for. I don't pay taxes to have religious indoctrination centers. I pay taxes to have government indoctrination centers. And that's its own "religion".


You pay taxes so they'll educate you or your children or other peoples children. If they're not doing that then you have an argument...but it seems that they are.

Chomsky had an argument about that when he was going to college he had a professor who was basically an outspoken Nazi. It was right after WW2 and many people didn't like it. Even though sometimes he would spout Nazi bullshit he was still fulfilling his contract to the students by providing them with an education...albeit with some Nazi BS sprinkled in. So the school wouldn't act because the contract is being fulfilled.

They want to pray...you don't want to you don't have to participate. Unless they're FORCING you to pray or taking up too much time with it I don't see an issue.

i agree with Yogi, the school board in this case is behaving just like Nazis. If the audience wasnt so indoctrinated, they might even realize that their prayer takes the focus off of the student's accomplishments and gives credit where none is due (yahway)

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^Yogi:
Everyone acts like they deserve things like never to be offended. If you don't like something don't participate...
Last time I checked, going to school was compulsory. Even if you don't go to public school, you are still forced to pay for it. Taxes are compulsory.
I'm not offended when someone prays. I am offended when someone wants to force me to financially support prayer. That's what churches are for. I don't pay taxes to have religious indoctrination centers. I pay taxes to have government indoctrination centers. And that's its own "religion".

You pay taxes so they'll educate you or your children or other peoples children. If they're not doing that then you have an argument...but it seems that they are.
Chomsky had an argument about that when he was going to college he had a professor who was basically an outspoken Nazi. It was right after WW2 and many people didn't like it. Even though sometimes he would spout Nazi bullshit he was still fulfilling his contract to the students by providing them with an education...albeit with some Nazi BS sprinkled in. So the school wouldn't act because the contract is being fulfilled.
They want to pray...you don't want to you don't have to participate. Unless they're FORCING you to pray or taking up too much time with it I don't see an issue.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^braindonut:
So you don't mind when governmental bodies show preference or reverence to certain religions. That's cool, but you don't have to distract from the real subject by ranting about PC crap and whiny atheist bitches being offended - since that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I stand by my previous statement. It's STUPID EASY to keep religion outside of schools and where it belongs.


You want to show me where someone was negatively impacted by this prayer? Or do you want to compare this to something serious?
Just because it's "Stupid easy" to do something, doesn't mean it should be done, they obviously don't want it to. You're basically going somewhere and telling other people what to do, surprise they don't like that.
I had to sit through 30 second long prayers before every high school football game, it didn't bother me I was simply observing something that other people wanted to do. I'm not gonna go to the school and tell them they can't have a basketball team because I don't want to play basketball.
Again you're just narcissistic thinking it's all about you, it isn't so shut up.


I think the point is being missed here. It's not just about atheism or Christianity or one person's narcissism or feelings of being imposed upon. Regardless if you happen to feel that it's "PC shit" or too minor for one's feelings to be impacted, that's not your right to judge. Legally it's a no-brainer: if it's not an equal practice in the social sphere, it shouldn't be (meaning it's illegal to be) supported by a public institution - this includes religious doctrine.

Legally, since the state cannot support all religions, it is bound to support none. Relating that to the matter at hand, this means no prayer, whether you think it's hurtful, offensive, meaningless, or not - that's not the issue. Constitutionality is the issue, and this is unconstitutional. If you're wondering about precedent, there are many, many cases that side against the school board on this.

@zombieeater that is such bullshit. You want to eliminate all religions from the public sphere, fine, but don't try to hide it in your particular interpretation of the first amendment.

How does saying a one minute prayer at a public ceremony materially support christianity? I could see if some other non-christian students wanted to do something but were refused.

You know, if precedent really is against a friggin one minute prayer, then I would say civil disobedience is certainly called for, as the students in the video did. I guess this particular law will be like the 55MPH speed limit.

The kid that sued. What type of parents does he have to empart such a warped sense of priority? Hopefully he will go to college, broaden his horizons, and realize there are more important and interesting issues than a one minute frigging prayer.