Someone on Joe.My.God commented:

"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

Not really a debate. It was Brian saying the same thing over and over and over AND OVER, while Dan brings up a wide array of various ideas and facts.

My quote above covers it.

"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

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I wish I really had the time to watch all of this now. I'm 12 minutes in and just loving Dan's manner, a wonderfully calm, easy, non combative tone coupled with some nice research.

I'll have to return to this tomorrow while I eat my lunch

I can't believe I actually committed that much time to this. Very worth my time watching.

OK, I couldn't stop at just 12 minutes, now 27 minutes in and listening to Brian try to invent reasonings for still taking everything in the bible as written and to still be true is mind numbing...

I'm amazed that people in these positions can not see that they spend so much of their time creating loopholes and obtuse explanations to be able to keep their world view. How can they not stop for a minute and go

'Huh... you know, it seems I have to expend an awful lot of energy trying to create explanations against what seems so blatantly obvious... I have to stop any time I think of something that goes against the bible even though it makes sense. I have to stop and invent an excuse as to why the illogical thing in the bible is actually true instead of what seems so obvious and right.'
'Maybe I should give pause to continuing to believe in the bible if I have to spend so much time creating excuses for it'.

"No, yeah, I know he comes across as a bit dickish, but he has a good heart."
"Yes, I know he stoned your friend to death because he took the lord's name in vein, but that was done with love"

All three of these guys are really missing the point. Under the law, marriage is a legal contract between two competent, consenting adults. It is a legal partnership. Period. The law has nothing to do with religion.

The 14th amendment demands equal protection of the law to all citizens. The Supreme Court ruled in Loving v Virginia that marriage is a "basic civil right."

Case closed.

NY Times link.

"As for Mr. Savage, he felt that being on his home turf had actually worked against him. “Playing host put me in this position of treating Brian Brown like a guest,” he said. “It was better in theory than in practice — it put me at a disadvantage during the debate, as the undertow of playing host resulted in my being more solicitous and considerate than I should’ve been. If I had it to do over again, I think I’d go with a hall.”

Mr. Brown's argument is belied by his body's reaction: profuse sweating and foamy mouth. Ick.

You know what would convince me that what I think is a square is in fact a circle (55:58)?

Give me a mathematical model for both of them. Then do a fit (least squares?) to both models.

If it turns out that the circle is a better fit - then it's clearly a circle.

>> ^Solid_Muldoon:

All three of these guys are really missing the point. Under the law, marriage is a legal contract between two competent, consenting adults. It is a legal partnership. Period. The law has nothing to do with religion.
The 14th amendment demands equal protection of the law to all citizens. The Supreme Court ruled in Loving v Virginia that marriage is a "basic civil right."
Case closed.


Except you can't just do that. Well, you can, but you haven't won the war by that argument.

You can make it law, you can enforce that it is law, but the underlying problem is that there are people who think it's wrong, and that's what you need to change. Make them see that the only thing they're clinging onto to justify their dislike of gay people (passages in the bible), are on the same level as passages that allow slavery and persecution and execution.

Where's the dinner? Where's the food?

>> ^legacy0100:

Where's the dinner? Where's the food?


They'd already had it, they showed a bit of it at the start. The debate happened afterwards