Crazy Landing!! Kids, do not repeat this at home!!

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Crazy Landing!! Kids, do not repeat this at home!!
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Tags for this video have been changed from 'landing, germany, dornier 28, pilot, plane, skydiver, skydiving' to 'landing, germany, dornier 28, pilot, plane, skydiver, skydiving, Sail, AWOL' - edited by Trancecoach

GeeSussFreeKsays...

The little hangy toy gives a good indication of the high gs on the plane as it is whipping around. It hangs "down" which is actually horizontal at times, which implies some rather high lateral Gs, at least greater than 1 and/or/both a pretty good rate of free fall.

jimnmssays...

What's "not cool" about it? The plane is designed to fly in and out of remote airports with short unpaved runways. It's basically using the propeller as an air brake which allows for a near vertical descent without building up excessive airspeed. Sky diving operators use it because it can make it back to the airport before the sky divers hit the ground and be ready to go up again. Other planes would take several minutes to safely descend from high altitudes, using more fuel and time.

GeeSussFreeKsaid:

Wow, someone take his licence away! Doing that above houses and stuff is not cool.

GeeSussFreeKsays...

He is placing himself in the situation that any minor, non-catastrophic failure would most likely result in the loss of the aircraft. I am fine with that, just as long as he isn't doing over other peoples houses. Good airmanship is more than being able to handle dangerous things, it is not putting yourself in them. But that is coming from someone who is terrified of flying, so take it for what it is worth

jimnmssaid:

What's "not cool" about it? The plane is designed to fly in and out of remote airports with short unpaved runways. It's basically using the propeller as an air brake which allows for a near vertical descent without building up excessive airspeed. Sky diving operators use it because it can make it back to the airport before the sky divers hit the ground and be ready to go up again. Other planes would take several minutes to safely descend from high altitudes, using more fuel and time.

jimnmssays...

He's not doing anything dangerous or putting anyone at risk. He's operating the aircraft within it's designed limitations. An engine failure would cause the props to auto feather which would remove the breaking effect, and the aircraft could go about flying normally.

GeeSussFreeKsaid:

He is placing himself in the situation that any minor, non-catastrophic failure would most likely result in the loss of the aircraft. I am fine with that, just as long as he isn't doing over other peoples houses. Good airmanship is more than being able to handle dangerous things, it is not putting yourself in them. But that is coming from someone who is terrified of flying, so take it for what it is worth

GeeSussFreeKsays...

I don't want to drag this conversation out any longer, so I will just sum it up with this blanket statement. Decent, approach and landing make up about half of the risk area in flying statistically speaking. Private Part 91/General Aviation constitute the highest level of risk of any aviation. Human factors are by far the most common accident type, and this type of hurried flying is just a "human factor" accident waiting to happen. With that said, I bet there is a very small accident rate on things like this overall, but if there is, it is on someones head. So while I was being kind of hyperbolic because of my fear of flying, there are still risks to consider, and this type of hurried landing style is a style that is a human factor crash waiting to happen, which is the highest factor in crashes, during the highest risk part of a flight, in an aviation mode with the highest level of deaths per miles. He is, by statistical analysis, engaging in the most risky set of flight behaviors and conditions possible. And I am fine with that, as long as he isn't doing it over my house. That is all from me good sir, over and out!

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm

jimnmssaid:

He's not doing anything dangerous or putting anyone at risk. He's operating the aircraft within it's designed limitations. An engine failure would cause the props to auto feather which would remove the breaking effect, and the aircraft could go about flying normally.

jimnmssays...

I'm a pilot, I know the rules and regulations. I thought I'd put that in my last reply, but it looks like I didn't. The PC-6 is designed to do this maneuver, and if it were dangerous it wouldn't be certified to do it.

The posted video and the one I linked to are doing the same thing, a rapid descent (also called emergency descent). Generally rapid descents call for slowing down to the safest operating speed with which the aircraft can fly with flaps and landing gear extended (it's usually marked on the airspeed indicator), bank into a 45° or greater turn and use pitch to keep the speed right at the max allowed speed. This is the fastest way to lose altitude without gaining excessive airspeed. Instead of using steep turns, the PC-6 uses its prop as a brake and can just descend at a steep angle without having to watch airspeed to avoid damaging flaps or gear by accidentally going too fast.

GeeSussFreeKsaid:

I don't want to drag this conversation out any longer, so I will just sum it up with this blanket statement. Decent, approach and landing make up about half of the risk area in flying statistically speaking. Private Part 91/General Aviation constitute the highest level of risk of any aviation. Human factors are by far the most common accident type, and this type of hurried flying is just a "human factor" accident waiting to happen. With that said, I bet there is a very small accident rate on things like this overall, but if there is, it is on someones head. So while I was being kind of hyperbolic because of my fear of flying, there are still risks to consider, and this type of hurried landing style is a style that is a human factor crash waiting to happen, which is the highest factor in crashes, during the highest risk part of a flight, in an aviation mode with the highest level of deaths per miles. He is, by statistical analysis, engaging in the most risky set of flight behaviors and conditions possible. And I am fine with that, as long as he isn't doing it over my house. That is all from me good sir, over and out!

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm

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