Someone needs to instruct Officer Crewcut in the proper execution of fucking headlock.

And someone needs to tell Mr. Dumbass Criminal not to fuck with people that have guns.

I don't see any brutality here, sorry.
I see a person resisting arrest even though he was tazed multiple times.

Yeah, no brutality. Just a good ol' fashioned moron getting what he's got coming to him.

Agreed, this is a brutal as WWF...and they didn't even break andy chairs in this one.

How is that tazer not doing anything ?

This reminds me of playground fights for some reason...

>> ^charliem:
How is that tazer not doing anything ?


That's what I was wondering. There's no such thing as an immunity to the effects of the taser, so my guess would be that one of the probes missed him.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
>> ^charliem:
How is that tazer not doing anything ?

That's what I was wondering. There's no such thing as an immunity to the effects of the taser, so my guess would be that one of the probes missed him.

I'll bet there are some people who are affected slightly differently. I'm not talking outright immunity to the electric charge but, say, a slightly higher pain threshold or a slightly higher tolerance for electric charge. You've gotta allow that possibility.

No, the taser system has nothing to do with pain. Well, it does, bu that's not how it works.
The electrical charge from the system overrides the body's own electrical system and causes all the muscles to seize. This allows for the officers to move in on the target without fear of them striking at them.

Pain is merely a helpful side effect: it encourages the target to comply with the officers lest they get it again.

And it does fucking hurt - the sensation is quite unlike anything you've I've ever experienced.

just drugs ya'll, i think he's on cocaine if i remember the episode right.

Well, however it works, I'll bet there exist people who are affected slightly differently. That's all I'm saying. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm offering a possible explanation for this fellow's zeal.

For instance, that one dashboard cam vid where a black woman was tased because she wouldn't get out of her car? She fell immediately to the ground and screamed & hollered for several minutes straight like they were cutting her leg off. Barring a fine acting performance, I'd say she was on the other side of the spectrum: the low threshold side.

This fellow, might be on the high side. Capice?

After watching this again, I'm convinced the cop either missed entirely, or he hit a section of the perp's jacket that was flapping in the wind.

Tazers have 2 settings, arc and contact, and its all controlled automatically within the unit.

Arc puts out massive volts that, if the probes were on contact with your skin, would kill you in about 0.2 secconds. Its there for the purpose to "arc" from your clothing to your skin, should a misfire occur.

Contact is when the probes are directly embedded into the skin, and the volts are nowhere near as high. When its fired, it is initially in arc mode, and when human body resistance is detected across both probes, the mode switches instantly to contact.

Both cases, the idea is to incapacitate via overloading the central nervous system, rendering all muscle control over to the tazer unit, and being that it emits a constant charge, every muscle tightens up.

Seeing that he didnt tighten up once, Ill bet the probes didnt get anywhere near this guy.

Oh, well yeah. I hold no doubts that the woman was overreacting. The pain ceases INSTANTLY as soon as the charge stops. There's absolutely no reason to be screaming like that.

Charliem:
You're wrong. Voltage has nothing to do with plays only a small part in killing someone. Ever touch a live wire in your house? Hurts like a bitch, huh? That's only 120V (for America, 240 elsewhere). A taser on the other hand, sends out 50,000 volts. You could get hit with a million volts and not die if the amperage is not there. It also depends on what you're resistance is to electrical charge. Of course this lowers when you get wet. The Taser simply does not have the amperage necessary to kill you "instantly."

Furthermore, it does not have "two settings." The only thing the user can change is the duration of the shock. It does have two functions, however. Either use the cartridge and shoot from up to 15ft, or take off the cartridge and use it by direct contact.

Look, I'm not talking out of my ass here. I've been trained in riot control and the implementation of less-than-lethal and non-lethal weapons technologies.

If you want to know more, go the the manufacturer's site at http://www.taser.org/m18.html

^what charliem was referring to were the two phases, and he did correctly describe their function
1. arcing phase (high voltage arcs the airgap between clothes and skin, establishing a current path)
2. loading phase (drop in voltage, delivers current to paralyze muscles)

it was on mythbusters, and it operates on the same principle as a lightning strike (http://www.videosift.com/video/Slow-Motion-Lightning-1)

>> ^MarineGunrock:

Charliem:
You're wrong. Voltage has nothing to do with plays only a small part in killing someone.

Talking to an electronics engineer here
And I wasnt refering to user-settings, I was referring to the actual electronics within the gun itself, the two modes cannot be controlled by the user at all.

Tasers do have the capacity to kill you pretty quickly if its in its arcing phase and its directly attached to you.

The contact phase puts out around 50k volts, arcing is wayyyy more than that.

Around 10 to 20 mA across the heart is enough to kill a human.

Usually, I side with the police, but this is simply unacceptable. The black dude wasn't causing any harm, and was not threatening in the least, but still got tazed? These cops were out of control warmongers. They should be kicked off the force and thrown in jail for police brutality and assault.

Charliem: you win by default.
Lulz - I'm not an electrical engineer, but yes, that's across the heart, so you'd have to get stabbed by a taser for that to happen, no?

BillO:
You crack me up as usual.

^no it would only have to puncture your skin. the resistance of the skin is ~1000 ohms which is why you can touch a car battery and it hurts like sh*t but won't kill you. if however, the 12V from a car battery were attached to two needles and inserted into the bloodstream, it can very well kill you. the resistance of the blood can be as low as 10 ohms.

the same principle applies to tasers. in the last five years, over 200 people have died from tasers.

^But to my knowledge, none of them were instant.

^so, long and painful?

Hey, I never said it was any better. But I don't even know if they were long and painful anyway. From what I've heard, it was due to pre-existing health conditions.

I think it was okay they used a taser when he was up against the car, but I don't see why they needed to use it when he was already on the ground. Really, these two officers need better training, that struggle looked like three fish out of water.

Also looks to me like the officer who first tased him was smiling when he was doing it.

Downvoting for the lame-ass trolly title. I think these guys showed restraint and professionalism. Cop pulls tazer before any physical contact, people complain. Cop tries to subdue a resisting suspect without the zapper, and it's brutality?

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Hey, I never said it was any better. But I don't even know if they were long and painful anyway. From what I've heard, it was due to pre-existing health conditions.


Yup.
No tazer has ever killed anyone due to malfunction, they work as intended.
When resistance is low, voltage output is 50k, and it jumps into that phaze within 1/50,000,000th of a seccond. (assuming the controller they are using runs at LEAST 5mhz, which most modern controllers are capable of doing quite easily).

if you are touching someone that is getting tazed you get hit too, they would of been in some trouble if the taze actually went off!

No; the current only goes between the two probes.

what schmawy said.

preexisting medical conditions don't kill people, cops do.

but in this video all i saw was some guy so high he thought he could escape, and the police didn't want to let him. slapping him in the face is hardly "brutalising" if you are trying to communicate with a guy on a crack rush, hell i would slap my own mother if she was getting that hysterical.
the rest was just clumsy restraint and wasting time with the taser.

the most effective technique seemed to be the guy saying "give it up dude".

@MG we had RAF lectures about dealing with people nicely so as not to escalate confrontation. You get that too? interesting stuff.

downvote for insanely bad title.

By hitting him in the face... causing the violence to go even farther.

Simple, walk right up to him slap the cuffs on him before he has a chance to know whats going on.

I witnessed a very smooth cop, walk up and say "How are you." Held out his hand... they guy shook it, and guess what? Cuffed and stuffed, easy as that.

While they are fighting with him... they could have been killed or worse maimed, because they were dealing with him without watching what else is going on around them.

The simple solution is if you cant make the arrest successfully with out having to beat the shit out of some one, then do not make the arrest at that time. Look for a time when the circumstances will better favor a successful arrest.
IE when you have more backup.

What this appears to be is some one resisting arrest and then being stepped through the force continuum. There is a fallacy that violence will work, this is not true in all cases. Some people will revert to primal instinct and therefore fight you every time you use violence to force them to do something.

Violence and Violence equals more violence. (however it sometimes may be needed understandably)

As you are punching some one in the stomach telling them to stop fighting stop fighting... that makes no sense, and it perpetuates the situation.

If its a minor offense that does not require lethal or hard physical force to arrest then let them go, and later execute a warrant for search, and arrest on that persons abode, go in hard and fast in the middle of the night.

The repeated slapping of the forehead is a tactic used to distract the suspect from other events. The human body will naturally divert attention to strikes against the face/head. It houses not only the orifices responsible for eating, hearing, and smelling, but our sight and most importantly, our brain.
Slapping him on the head was meant to get him to defend his head. Notice he took one of his hands to try and stop what was only a minor nuisance?

But, he did not stop fighting.

So... where's the brutalizing?

this would be caused by a drug known as, Sherman Hemsley or PCP.

Change misleading title, please.

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