Colorado Traffic Stop Turns Ugly

bobknight33says...

Does a high crime area warrant a stricter standard of police action?

Would be nice to see the police dash cam or such.

The passenger for the most part was complying ,

Just because no reason was give does not mean there is not a reason.

articiansays...

I'm frequently surprised the cops don't simply destroy the evidence every time this happens. Such an odd juxtaposition of motivations.

Too bad he was driving without a license. Don't need much more of a reason for an arrest than that. Thankful no one was killed!

00Scud00says...

@artician
Yeah, I'm always amazed when someone does get arrested and films it, and when they do get their phone back the data is untouched. There are apps out there that will upload your footage to a server, so knowing that maybe the cops know that and trying to delete it would only make them look even more guilty. Or maybe they are just so arrogant that they think it won't matter anyhow.

@bobknight33
If the cop they had on the show is correct then it doesn't matter what their unstated reason was. They broke police procedure by not telling them why they were being pulled over.
I suspect they didn't say anything because they really didn't have a good reason to pull them over, and when they saw that that they were being recorded they decided it was just better to keep their mouths shut.
Anything you say can and will be used against you, funny how it works both ways.
The cop they had on the show sounded fairly reasonable right up until he blew up over the race card issue. We need to stop fooling ourselves into thinking that things like race, class, gender, or ethnicity doesn't play a role in how we see each other, only then will the race card be shuffled out of the deck permanently.

MilkmanDansays...

I completely agree that it *looks* like very bad form by the police, and also that race seems like a very clear factor in the escalation.

However, the phone video doesn't tell the whole story. While I tend to believe the passenger when he says that they were NOT told why they were being pulled over, the officers did NOT give their names, etc., the phone video doesn't preclude the possibility that they were given that information before the video started.

I think @bobknight33 is right to say that seeing a dash cam recording from the police car would definitely help clear things up, especially if I was in a situation where my opinion mattered (say, if I was on a jury in a case against the officers).

This is exactly the sort of situation where a good cop would be very happy to have dash cam or uniform cam evidence to show that their actions were justified, if indeed they were. That seems unlikely (but not completely impossible) here, though.

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