The golden ratio for a handsome face is complete BS.

Don't really have to spell it out, but things get obvious when you freeze frame on Angelina Jolie's picture he gives as an example.

You know, Nazis had the same idea of 'ideal look', and they went around the world measuring people's nose length and cranium size categorizing them to be superior or inferior.

No such 'pretty face ratio' exists.

I won't downvote because it shows you some photoshop tips. But I hope nobody buys into this bullshit.

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Cool video. However, I can't leave without saying Gimp's UI is terrible. That is all.

> legacy0100
Da Vinci is the one that showed how the human body, not just the face is symmetrical with the golden ratio. You might recognize the images below...
http://www.drawingsofleonardo.org/images/vitruvian.jpg
http://www.drawingsofleonardo.org/images/blue_head.jpg

In a study they found attractiveness comes down to simple averages, which in turn fit more closely to symmetry of the golden ratio
http://www.livescience.com/health/060927_attractiveness_mind.html
http://www.faceresearch.org/demos/average

Da Vinci's ideas and the what people think is beautiful is not Nazism...

Does no one else detect the Mega Man 3 music at the beginning? Upvote for Mega Man!

What does Da Vinci have to do with scientific evidence of 'ideal beauty'?

A man drew a chick with no eyebrows. Whoa, so beautiful, eh?

If you want a REAL scientific research paper done on this subject, I found this in JSTOR:

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-9556(197403%2F06)87%3A1%2F2%3C269%3AT'SAAO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W

The 'Golden Section': An Artifact of Stimulus Range and Measure of Preference
Michael Godkewitsch
The American Journal of Psychology, Vol. 87, No. 1/2 (Mar. - Jun., 1974), pp. 269-277

Quote from Abstract:

"The conclusion is that preference for the golden section is an artifact of its position in the range of stimuli presented and of the measures of preference rather than of any intrinsic aesthetic quality."

I do admit that there's some type of 'universally ugly' or 'universally pretty' face do exist in this world. But I'm pretty dang certain that golden ratio doesn't apply here. Basically almost everyone on this earth who looks 'normal' will fit within that graphed mask.

Besides, it's no rocket science that you'd find a man with 2 feet of jaws and a cranium the size of Jupiter not fit for 'pretty ratio'. Duh.

?????

That's a 9 page article asking 3 groups of 55 people to chose different rectangles that appeared in some magazine!! What does THAT have to do with beauty? The golden ratio has also been applied to music. Heck even Zelda Music uses the golden ratio.
http://www.thetanooki.com/2007/03/03/zelda-music-of-golden-proportions/


Da Vinci was the first to identify that the proportions of the human body have the golden ratio occurring over and over again. I'm sorry but this picture:
http://www.drawingsofleonardo.org/images/vitruvian.jpg

is a little more famous than your articles about people's preferences selecting rectangles.

> Basically almost everyone on this earth who looks 'normal' will fit within that graphed mask.
no. Symmetry between the right and left side of the face is a big part of beauty. The more healthy people look, also the more beautiful. I can give you a source if you want but seems like common sense.

>Besides, it's no rocket science that you'd find a man with 2 feet of jaws and a cranium the size of Jupiter not fit for 'pretty ratio'. Duh.

??? Yeah the more disproportionate the more people are generally considered ugly. Similarly the more in perfect proportion the more good looking. I don't see why you say duh, because that's just supporting the golden ratio, which you call BS and compare to nazism in the first comment... how upsetting too. This vid shows people how to have fun with gimp, learn a little more about the structural differences between a male and a female (the main point), and on the side teaches people about how the golden ratio corresponds to the face. I hope people don't look to your comment as a review for the video -_-.

The entire golden ratio thing is like the Bible Code or people seeing the image of Elvis in burritos: there are so many possible measurements that can be made that it's possible to find any reasonable number anywhere, especially when 'rounding' is used.

omfg... you did not just compare the golden ratio to the bible code and elvis burritos... It's a reoccuring mathematical constant that occurs very often in nature like pi but then again you probably thing Pi is a conspiracy too huh? Phi is the mathematical symbol for the golden ratio. Type it in google and google calculator will give you the number... do you think google is a conspiracy too? I wouldn't doubt it. pfft...elvis burritos.

.... do you not recognize American journal of psychology? Do you know why shortened versions of research papers get printed in there? My god.

Okay i'm done here... This whole conversation is starting to remind me of a recent debate i had against a religious fanatic.

I don't see how a 9 page study from 1974 (with only the first page visible) talking about people selecting between rectangles has more authority than Leonardo Da Vinci's famous discovery of the proportions correlating to the human body. You just researched it half arsed and tried to find a quote real quick that supported your gross association to Nazism and pseudoscience. I hope this gets popular just so more people can see how horribly ridiculous your arguments are in calling proportional symmetry a concept similar nazi aerian superiority. You can't reply and you run away only because you didn't bother to see how ridiculous and irrelevant the article you were citing was. I'm honestly disgusted and even more disgusted you'd try to correlate this to a debate between a religious fundamentalist and a logical person. You're shameless and unwilling to admit it was a hyperbolic claim you made ignorantly thinking the golden ratio was some kind of hollywood hype rather than a real mathematical ratio. Sick. Just. Sick.

Mathematical proportions and symmetry relating to beauty is not BS or nazism. I hope the way you cited that article without reading it will haunt you at night.

I have GIMPshop on my computer. It's still in beta, but it's got all the features of GIMP in a nicer, more user-friendly application.

Pi 'occurs' (actually almost never, but 'close enough' circles and ellipses are all over the place) in nature because as far as we know it is fundamentally built into the physics of our world. A point charge creates a spherically symmetric electric field. A point wave source creates a spherically propagating wave.

Phi is just the positive solution to X^2 - X - 1 = 0. It has nothing to do with symmetry, an altogether separate concept.

Of course it's a 'real' ratio (as opposed to i/2, which is an imaginary ratio), but then so is every other real number; there isn't anything mystical about ratios.

As for Da Vinci's discovery... the golden ratio is approximately 1.618; e (a much more important constant) is approx. 2.718; maybe the 'real' proportion is e - 1 (approx. 1.718)? I bet if I look hard enough, I could find e - 1 all over the place.

I agree... GIMP's interface is so horrible. I've tried GIMPshop, and it's still awful. And I don't like how this guy rambles on.

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Siftquisition. Failure to respond to this:

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Yeah, I too saw his clip on youtube that mentioned this golden ratio video as being posted by him..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KipP_03SrI

The golden ratio video is from his You Tube account. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO3o9drC1mQ

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