Cola? The planet? Im thirsty.

By the way you know what I tell mormon missionaries?

"I worship the lord himself Lucifer!" That sent some of them running, two very pretty young ladies... screaming their heads off!!

Is this supposed to be serious because if they are all I have to say is LOL!

Propaganda, as with all religion. It is truly frightening when you mix the impressionable with the deluded. What is it about thinking for yourself that scares the hell out of the religious?

Being raised Mormon and having since realized how retarded ALL of them are and now comfortably atheist, I think I can speak fairly about this:

It's called Kolob, and the only reason I know is because it's in one of the super-freaky hymns that was in the back of the hymn book:

"If you could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye"

I would imagine 90% of Mormons have no idea what this is. It's mentioned only briefly in the Mormon scripture, and (like many Biblical passages), was only intended to be understood metaphorically. However I would fault the author (Mr. Smith) with coining a sci-fi sounding name which obscures the point. But beyond that, the video has some very interesting slightly subliminal techniques. The emphasis on multiple gods, the 'Mormon' Jesus; there is a very concerted effort to demarcate where the creators Christianity begins and Mormonism begins. The 'facts' presented here are all very obscure passages, painstakingly juxtapositioned together to create a very loose narrative that is just crazy enough to fit together, but not really make a lot of sense.


And this is clearly not a 'real' documentary as the interview session at the end is laughably biased.

This piece could be done to any Judeo-Christian faith (maybe Eastern as well, but that's out of my area), as it focuses on only the mystical and obscure facts and spends all of it's time elaborating on them. It would be like a documentary on Catholicism and spending all your time on Revelations. You couldn't deny it was true (or at least according to the Vatican), but you miss the point. Entertaining, maybe; educational, not so much.

This reminds me of an old friend of mine who went to a private Christian school, and one day in mandatory 'bible' class (lolz) they showed a video on Mormonism. Based on our conversation, I'm guessing this is what he saw. He laughed it off and said they had little videos on all the 'other' religions, that focus specifically on how to demean them, which most of them picked up on and ignored.

That said, I'd like to see those other videos too

Oh, and if Mr. Conrads has a line on religious videos, I want to find an old Mormon instructional piece. They played it on a loop at the temple in Oakland,CA. Lots of little re-enacted situations, overall a typical video, but I have a strong memory of one that I'd love to see again.

The narrator is warning against the 'Devil' using 'Logic' to deceive you. The video shows this guy making arguements like 'can god make a stone so big he can't lift it' and simliar 'arguements'. I remember being 10 and thinking 'wtf, beware logic? Maybe this isn't my thing...'

I then proceeded to be led into a large golden bathtub where my body was used to symbolically baptize about a dozen dead people, without really giving it a second thought. And then we went for ice cream ! Oh childhood.

Alien (non Earthly being) space cults.. ultimately all religions boil down to this insane concept.

hey asynchronice,
thanks for your input on this, its always interesting to hear more background on something especially on a subject such as this. I also noticed that the roundtable dicussion at the end was fairly biased as well but I figured I would let the video stand for it self and see if anyone had any input on it. I didnt mean for this to be flamebait in any way either, I find religion of all kinds very interesting... even if I want no part of it As for other videos I'm not sure, I actually just stumbled upon this while searching for a different video completely unrelated to religion. I checked the youtube account that this came from and the person seems to be fairly biased against mormons but it might be worth browsing through his movies.
As for the golden bathtub...well I think I'm gonna leave that one alone
>> ^asynchronice:
Being raised Mormon and having since realized how retarded ALL of them are and now comfortably atheist, I think I can speak fairly about this:
It's called Kolob, and the only reason I know is because it's in one of the super-freaky hymns that was in the back of the hymn book:
"If you could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye"
I would imagine 90% of Mormons have no idea what this is. It's mentioned only briefly in the Mormon scripture, and (like many Biblical passages), was only intended to be understood metaphorically. However I would fault the author (Mr. Smith) with coining a sci-fi sounding name which obscures the point. But beyond that, the video has some very interesting slightly subliminal techniques. The emphasis on multiple gods, the 'Mormon' Jesus; there is a very concerted effort to demarcate where the creators Christianity begins and Mormonism begins. The 'facts' presented here are all very obscure passages, painstakingly juxtapositioned together to create a very loose narrative that is just crazy enough to fit together, but not really make a lot of sense.
And this is clearly not a 'real' documentary as the interview session at the end is laughably biased.
This piece could be done to any Judeo-Christian faith (maybe Eastern as well, but that's out of my area), as it focuses on only the mystical and obscure facts and spends all of it's time elaborating on them. It would be like a documentary on Catholicism and spending all your time on Revelations. You couldn't deny it was true (or at least according to the Vatican), but you miss the point. Entertaining, maybe; educational, not so much.
This reminds me of an old friend of mine who went to a private Christian school, and one day in mandatory 'bible' class (lolz) they showed a video on Mormonism. Based on our conversation, I'm guessing this is what he saw. He laughed it off and said they had little videos on all the 'other' religions, that focus specifically on how to demean them, which most of them picked up on and ignored.
That said, I'd like to see those other videos too

Okay, am I nuts or does the language of this just not match with mormonism? Joseph Smith lived in 1800s (think he died in the mid 1800s or so). I'm fairly certain there is nothing in the book of mormon about "starbases." Don't know about the "other planets" stuff, but I'm thinking this was written WAY after. I mean, don't get me wrong, it is yet another quack religion, but this seems more like Scientology than Mormonism.

lmao, I cracked up when I heard the part "...to have sex with the virgin mary."

This is part of a film called "The God Makers" which is considered the granddaddy of all "anti-Mormon" films. The film claims to be an exposé of secrets of the Mormon Church. The church is portrayed as a multi-billion dollar corporation that destroys marriages and drives members who cannot live up to its standards to commit suicide. The doctrine of the Mormon church, as portrayed by the filmmakers, involves an obsession with godhood and the population of other worlds through a process referred to as “endless celestial sex.”

Response from the National Conference of Christians and Jews

National Conference of Christians and Jews (NCCJ) editor Max Jennings attended a showing in Mesa Arizona that was “sponsored by a group known as Concerned Christians” whose purpose was “to reach out in love to those lost in Mormonism.” Jennings reported that “If what I saw Tuesday night is love, I must have had the wrong Sunday School lessons back in that dusty west Texas Methodist Church of my childhood. I didn’t hear anyone reaching out in love Tuesday night. I heard people reaching out in hatred of another’s right to believe what he wants.”

The NCCJ committee sent a letter to “Concerned Christians” on 5 December 1983 which stated, among other things, that,

The film does not fairly portray the Mormon Church, Mormon history, or Mormon belief. It makes extensive use of half-truths, faulty generalizations, sensationalism, and is not reflective of the true spirit of Mormon faith. We find particularly offensive the emphasis that Mormonism is some sort of subversive plot-a danger to the community, a threat to the institution of marriage, and destructive to the mental health of teenagers. We are of the opinion that the film relies heavily on appeals to fear, prejudice and unworthy human emotions.

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I'd like to see Mormon Jesus, Joe Smith, El-o-heem, Xenu, L. Ron Hubbard and Tom Cruise duke it out in the Thunderdome. Two zany religions enter, one human super god being leaves!

There are a few inaccuracies (as far as I recall from being raised Mormon, though I'm no longer religoius):

Their explanation for blacks is completely wrong, the Mormon explanation is taken from passages in the bible referring to people who did something or other and were cursed to have dark skin (Cain, other people, etc)

The people who chose to side with Jesus, whatever, they were just sent to Earth, not sent to Mormon families.

I never heard any stories of Jesus having kids or taking multiple wives.

I also don't recall hearing anyone saying that Joseph Smith was a direct descendant of Jesus Christ, but that could be something I'd heard but forgotten. Dunno there.

The Mormons claim that Joseph Smith did more for us than any other man SAVE Jesus Christ, not including.

Also, freaking lol at the genealogy picture of kids looking at tombstones.

This is also really *terrible and has an extent of *lies in it, but then again, it's religious propaganda by one religion against another, so go figure.

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Wow, racist too.