Biden: The Silence is Deafening

Peroxidesays...

You wont need more cops with better social programs, because it is proven that crime declines with better social institutions.

He should promise better police training because of the current Republican Police State.

NetRunnersays...

>> ^imstellar28:
"what do you do when you have nothing to say? you talk about the other guy"
yet all he does in this video is talk about the other guy...


The video wasn't the whole appearance, just a highlight of a good part.

Plus, he was comparing the DNC convention to the RNC convention, the DNC was speech after speech after speech about middle and lower-class economic woe, and plans for helping alleviate that and the RNC was "be afraid of Terrorist(s , and) Democrats".

>> ^Constitutional_Patriot:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Joe-Biden-Another-Israeli-Firster-Zioni
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To back up my claim made above since some of you seem to disagree.


It's not that I disagree so much as I think you're spreading FUD. You're mentioning the fact as if it's weird, as if it's fact, and as if there's something wrong with Zionism.

Zionism for a non-Jew pretty much just means you defend the existence of Israel, promote the strength of Israel (economic as well as military), and defend the rights of the Jewish people everywhere.

That doesn't sound so bad. Certainly not quite like the list of opponents to Zionism.

Feel free to say you don't think the next President should be so supportive of Israel -- I'd probably agree with you on that -- but let's not try to use fear to scare people away from their best chance to see the Constitution restored.

deathcowsays...

Biden: blah blah blah KEYWORD1 blah blah KEYWORD2 blah blah blah KEYWORD3

Palin: blah blah blah KEYWORD1 blah blah KEYWORD2 blah blah blah KEYWORD3

Obama: blah blah blah KEYWORD1 blah blah KEYWORD2 blah blah blah KEYWORD3

McCain: blah blah blah KEYWORD1 blah blah KEYWORD2 blah blah blah KEYWORD3

SpeveOsays...

Somehow I don't think Joe Biden, the man who bragged to Tim Russert about how the Patriot Act mirrored a lot of his proposed legislation in the Omnibus Counter-terrorism Act of 1995, is going to be part of the team that restores the American constitution.

MINKsays...

counter-terrorism is soooooooo 1995. They call it "peacekeeping" now.

I have personally written an innovative new piece of legislation called the "Peacekeeper Act", because who really needs to leave their house after 10pm anyways?

NetRunnersays...

>> ^SpeveO:
Somehow I don't think Joe Biden, the man who bragged to Tim Russert about how the Patriot Act mirrored a lot of his proposed legislation in the Omnibus Counter-terrorism Act of 1995, is going to be part of the team that restores the American constitution.


Thanks for pointing that one out, I wasn't aware of it. Count that as a definite strike against him, but his scorecard from the ACLU is 91% in the 110th Congress (only because he missed a single crucial vote, after being named VP), and an 86% rating lifetime.

Obama's position on the Patriot act has been scrutinized, and while his ACLU scorecard shows 82% for FISA and Patriot votes, he's certainly talked a lot about wanting to replace them with better legislation that better protects people's rights (specifics are behind that link).

Contrast that to McCain's rating of 22% lifetime, with a 17% in the 110th Congress, and absolutely no mitigating commentary about it. He's even ducked voting against measures that would've precluded the CIA from using torture, even with his supposed opposition to torture (a minority view in the Republican party, mind you).

Goodness knows what Palin's scorecard would look like.

I'm standing by Obama and Biden being the team to restore the Constitution.

imstellar28says...

^Yeah. Obama's scorecard is only from a pool of 20 votes though. And of those he voted:

FOR the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (Senate)
On July 9, 2008, the Senate passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments Act of 2008 (H.R. 6304) by a vote of 69-28. The ACLU opposed this legislation due to its failure to protect Fourth Amendment privacy rights for individual Americans. Specifically, it authorizes an unlawful warrantless surveillance program, while providing effective immunity to those telecommunications companies that assisted government surveillance even before the facts surrounding the full extent of this program are known.
FOR Patriot Act Reauthorization (Senate)
On March 2, 2006, the Senate passed the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act
of 2005 by a vote of 89 to 10. The ACLU opposed this bill because it failed to add to the Patriot Act reasonable, necessary safeguards to protect civil liberties. It made many expiring provisions permanent, including provisions that allow the government to obtain a wide variety of private confidential records using National Security Letters, seek secret court orders under section 215, gag recipients of these record requests with only an illusory right to challenge, and secretly search homes and offices. The bill also expands the death penalty, limits protest rights at major events and coerces businesses to check their employees against flawed government watch lists.
FOR Judicial Review of Torture
On November 15, 2005, the Senate agreed to the Graham-Levin Amendment that would strip
detainees imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay of most of their due process protections. The ACLU
opposed the Graham-Levin Amendment because, by stripping detainees at Guantanamo Bay of
the ability to file habeas petitions and other claims in federal court, it unconstitutionally removed the
system of checks and balances for persons seeking protection against the government's use of
torture and abuse and other denials of due process. The amendment passed by a vote of 84 to 14
and was attached to the Defense Department Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006.


christ that was a pretty important 18%....

NetRunnersays...

^ 2nd paragraph of my post, follow the link. I'm not happy about it, and he's saying he wasn't happy about it.

Frankly, those votes were entirely based on political calculus -- his choices were to vote against the bills, and have them pass anyways, then hear no end of it on the campaign trail in the form of, as Olbermann put it, "Obama vote no thing terror-stop", or vote for them as a compromise, but make clear his opposition in public, and a commitment to strive to fix them when the political landscape is more favorable, and avoid the problems in the campaign.

Again, I'm not pleased about it, but that makes sense to me as a hard choice to go along in the short run to help increase chances of winning the Presidency in order to be able to restore the Constitution in the long run.

Obama talks about closing Guantanamo, and restoring habeas corpus, McCain's handlers put lines into Sarah Palin's prompter joking about how silly Obama is because he's worried about "reading rights" to terrorists -- ignoring how one refutes that "terrorist" label without the right to a trial.

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