He's a fuckstick, plain and simple, his rhetoric and egomania, reflects that of those who control him, and his teensy cock and shriveled balls, dwarfed conversely by his Napoleonic narcissism.....He's damaged fucking goods that needs killin'......

Yeah - it has nothing to do with Israel and America threatening to bomb the shit out of Tehran for the past twenty years.

I don't recall Iran attacking any of its neighbors in recent memory, but I do recall Israel bombing the shit out of Lebanon, not to mention how it invades the airspace of its neighbors constantly to provoke a reaction.

>> ^rougy:
Yeah - it has nothing to do with Israel and America threatening to bomb the shit out of Tehran for the past twenty years.
I don't recall Iran attacking any of its neighbors in recent memory, but I do recall Israel bombing the shit out of Lebanon, not to mention how it invades the airspace of its neighbors constantly to provoke a reaction.


Yes, let's bring up Israel going into Lebanon to chase out the Hezbollah fighters that Iran and Syria provided arms, funds and recruits to. Sorry, but Hezbollah is a direct example of Ahmadinejad making good on his calls for the destruction of Israel.

As for your other complaints about Israel, I won't even bother dignifying your points by refuting them. I'd instead ask what on earth that has to do with Ahmadinejad's statements from the clip rallying his people with cries for 'Death to Israel'? Are you in some sick, twisted manner justifying such talk?

The indecisive and those dead certain will often nit-pick the few good points of some concept, action, or cretin, to buy some more time in the zone,...it's called being addicted to other peoples programming....Baddddd people's programming-Now-Keep the Muslims and the Jews from fighting, and let's get on with everyone getting smarter and smarter....

^bcglorf:
>>Are you in some sick, twisted manner justifying such talk?


You don't see what Israel's constant calling for the USA to attack Iran has to do with anti-Israeli sentiment in Iran?

What a surprise.

Israel attacked all of Lebanon and committed war crimes.

They decimated Jenin, too, and murdered hundreds.

Israel has been much more aggressive than Iran has been, and the threat that Iran poses to either Israel or the USA is totally blown out of proportion precisely because Israel and the USA want war - they want to paint Iran as the bad guy, even though Israel and the USA are, in fact, the aggressors.

You don't see what Israel's constant calling for the USA to attack Iran has to do with anti-Israeli sentiment in Iran?


So you are saying that Ahmadinejad's calls for "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" are, at least somewhat, justified. At least we know were you stand then.


Israel attacked all of Lebanon and committed war crimes.

They decimated Jenin, too, and murdered hundreds.


Most people accusing Israel of war crimes in Lebanon and Palestine cite sources like Amnesty International. I even agree with that. My issue though is that you would choose to paint such an unbalanced picture. Amnesty International also condemns Hezbollah and Hamas on far more counts of war crimes.

If you really care to pay any attention to history you'll notice that Israel's aggressive foreign policy didn't appear out of a vacuum of non-aggression. Has Israel ever, in it's entire existence, had peace treaties with all of it's neighbors?

I'm all for condemning Israel when it over reacts to rockets hitting their cities. I'm just not keen to ignore the fact that rockets are landing in their cities. Neither will I accept the notion that EITHER such acts are justifiable. But go ahead and ignore all that and one up it even by justifying speeches rallying crowds to chant "Death to Israel". Just don't pretend to be doing it in the name of peace.

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Moving this video to bcglorf's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

I'm fed up with once again hearing people in my country crying about how misunderstood Ahmadinejad is so I'm gonna beg this one again.

*beg

Sending this video to Beggar's Canyon to plea for a little attention - beg requested by original submitter bcglorf.

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May the world expect Israel's unilateral disposition of the region's future in the form of eradication of Iran's enrichment capabilities before another summer's end?

Probably.

Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued - promote requested by chingalera.

"dictators like Ahmadinejad"

Iran is a democracy. Ahmadinejad is no longer the president.

Hassan Rouhani is the current president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Rouhani

Don't correct my inaccuracy with another one. Iran is NOT a democracy, it is an Islamic theocracy. My referencing Ahmadinejad as a 'dictator' was only used in the same sense that folks use when referring to Bush, Cheney or Obama as 'dictators'. None of them came to power through a coup or by birth right, and each stepped down in normal course.

Calling Iran a democracy though is just wrong, and is about as accurate as referring to America as a dictatorship, In Iran the presidential candidates must ALL be approved by the Islamic council or nobody gets to even try to vote for them. The highest position of power in the country is not the President, but the Supreme Leader who is appointed by a small group of Islamic 'experts'. There is no room in the Iranian system for the election of an non-Muslim, or even a Sunni muslim, to even attempt to hold the position of President let alone Supreme Leader.

My statement isn't inaccurate. They are a democracy. They have a democratically elected leader. You not liking it does not make it not a democracy. By your logic I might as well say the USA is not a democracy since they are a representative democracy. Of course the USA like Iran is just a variant of democracy. There are 20 something variants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieties_of_democracy#Forms

Your use of the word dictator did not have the context to it you now ascribe.

If the Supreme Leader holds a higher position of power, why isn't he visibly controlling the nation? (genuine question)

The president doesn't always have the highest position though. Many republics have both a president and prime minister. The prime minister will run the nation. Or like in Australia where Queen Elizabeth the 2nd holds the highest position, but she is a figurehead only, the parliament runs the nation.

bcglorf is spouting the same old Zionist BS.

Israel has been the aggressor and involved in terrorism in the region since it was created by the UK at the Rothchild's bequest in 1917 (The Balfour Declaration).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Casualties after they invaded Gaza ? 13 Israelis 1385 Palestinians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_War

It's obvious Israel is a apartheid state, taking away rights from innocent non-Jews who have lived there longer than any Israeli, as most Israeli's are European immigrants.

Israel's reaction to Iran's new peace process is obvious once you realize they do not care about peace, they want land.

Why else would you have a racist as a 'Foreign affairs minister'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigdor_Lieberman
...who has threatened way worse on Palestine than anything I've heard from Iran.

The Iranian leadership and the overwhelming majority of all Iranians would be offended and upset at being called a democracy, even the moderates. They are proud of being an Islamic theocracy and the Iranian constitution since the revolution and overthrow of the Shaw has been that way.

The supreme leader doesn't go around with a heavy hand visibly running everything because he's smart enough to play the more subtle role he does. Picking and choosing who gets to lead this or that is the game. If you remember back a couple of years to the last Iranian elections you saw several of the would be candidates arrested or jailed. You saw their followers arrested, jailed and intimidated. The elections were still held though none the less. Iranian politics are way more complicated than all that, but it's a start.

Would you care to explain how or why that's relevant to Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei both routinely denying the holocaust occurred and insisting that they wish to see Israel erased from the map?

I've also had enough of racists spouting off on Zionism as though that makes it ok. If Zionism is pretty simply support for a Jewish state. I understand opposing the idea of a religiously founded state. What I don't understand is why SO MANY people seem entirely content defending the laundry list of Islamic states(Iran,Pakistan,Saudi Arabia to name a few) while insisting that even 1 Jewish state is inherently anathema and the center of all evil.

Actually, since it was you who started the thread, it is you who is being hypocritical.
Israel is the only state in the region with undeclared Nukes.
Israel routinely threatens and attacks it's neighbors or assists in destabilizing neighboring countries (Syria?). Even kidnapping people from foreign countries, and carries out spying on it's only friend (America).
So I send your point back at you. Why create a post about a Jew hating Muslim, when Israel is a country of majority right-wing pro-war anti-muslim Jews, declaring war on neighboring countries and threatening with actual Nuclear weapons (instead of non-existant ones, since Iran has NONE).

Why do you insist that a leader not be condemned for denying the holocaust and removing Israel from the map unless we first condemn Israel in stronger terms?

You don't see any problem there?

I insisted on nothing. I merely drew attention to the hypocrisy of aggression against a nation with no Nukes by a nation with Nukes. And the hypocrisy of a nation who continually attacks those around it complaining about one of those nations threatening it.

Why do you feel the need to point out that hypocrisy when nobody was talking about any of the things you saw as hypocritical?

Re-read the thread and nowhere do I mention any of that. The sole point I am trying to get across is that Ahmadinejad denies the holocaust and that he has publicly called for the elimination of the state of Israel. Many people, even important ones, were denying that Ahmadinejad said such things when I posted the video and I thought it an important truth to get out there.

Why does everyone feel the dire need to counter that by listing Israeli and American crimes and faults? Is it not possible to accept that there are forces of aggression and hatred outside those two states, and that when they manage to become it's upper leadership to start calling it out for what it is.

Dude. Your post is about the president of Iran threatening Israel. I countered by pointing out that Israel is constantly threatening all the states it borders, AND has ACTUALLY invaded and bombed. And what are you talking about "why does everyone feel...", we are the only posters having this discussion. Stop playing the victim. Israel is the aggressor. Should I post a video montage of Avigdor Lieberman? Heck I could post an hour long video of Israeli's demanding war. That is my only point. Your video is one sided, my response it to balance it with a greater truth.

Ahmadinejad threatens to remove Israel from the map. Ayatollah Khamenei does the same. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard(which reports directly to Khamenei) virtually founded and continually provides training, arms and funding to Hezbollah which it must be observed routinely attacks Israel.

I'm not trying to say Israel is some pure and innocent virgin. I'm pointing out some basic facts that are routinely denied by a great many people and I felt the need for the truth to be out there. I also fail to understand why pointing out facts like this requires anyone to come out and basically state that Israel deserves it, or at the very least that they started it and are the ones in the wrong.

It's quite possible for there to be 2 wrongs and no need to lesson the sins of either.