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72 virgins - it's just not quite as great as you'd expect!

joedirtsays...

Please do not post videos that make fun of other races. Because of the high volume of traffic on the site, it would be very easy to offend a good deal of people with material like this. If you think the material is questionable, it's probably not going to pass our standards.


This is also very ignorant on the whole myth of 72 virgins. Yeah I know it's just a comedian... If you're going to whip that out, I got some blackface videos I've been meaning to post.

joedirtsays...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,631332,00.html
What of the rewards in paradise? The Islamic paradise is described in great sensual detail in the Koran and the Traditions; for instance, Koran sura 56 verses 12 -40 ; sura 55 verses 54-56 ; sura 76 verses 12-22. I shall quote the celebrated Penguin translation by NJ Dawood of sura 56 verses 12- 39: "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand..."

One should note that most translations, even those by Muslims themselves such as A Yusuf Ali, and the British Muslim Marmaduke Pickthall, translate the Arabic (plural) word Abkarun as virgins, as do well-known lexicons such the one by John Penrice. I emphasise this fact since many pudic and embarrassed Muslims claim there has been a mistranslation, that "virgins" should be replaced by "angels". In sura 55 verses 72-74, Dawood translates the Arabic word " hur " as "virgins", and the context makes clear that virgin is the appropriate translation: "Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents (which of your Lord's blessings would you deny?) whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before." The word hur occurs four times in the Koran and is usually translated as a "maiden with dark eyes".

Two points need to be noted. First, there is no mention anywhere in the Koran of the actual number of virgins available in paradise, and second, the dark-eyed damsels are available for all Muslims, not just martyrs. It is in the Islamic Traditions that we find the 72 virgins in heaven specified: in a Hadith (Islamic Tradition) collected by Al-Tirmidhi (died 892 CE [common era*]) in the Book of Sunan (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah [Prophet Muhammad], chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise, (Hadith 2687). The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah

dagsays...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Hmmm, I don't know - I don't see this as racial - more making fun of cultural/religious practices that don't make a lot of sense. And also raising the point of female opression in a lot of muslim cultures.

Kruposays...

If we were to take this one down, we'd have to take down a bunch of others, including the 'space pope' vid (Star Wars mashup with Benedict XVI coronation), using the same rather liberal application of the criterion.

Although I was torn between being amused/offended by it, but let it slide w/o 'touching' it with a vote or louder response.

Having said that, I agree with dag - and I mean, it's kind of a good point.

joedirtsays...

Sorry, I was pasting the VS Guidelines.. For one the connection of terrorist with Muslim seems kind of racist. But I lump culture, religion, race with the intent of the guidelines. Anyways it is a stereotype.. and from the looks of things, I'm going to have to find some blackface comedy and post it, cause it's just another form of honesty and social commentary.

dagsays...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

I don't think your blackface comedy would make it out of the queue JD.

I do think there is a difference between that and satire about religion. eg. The God Report on The Daily Show skewers all religions pretty mercilessly.

Remember religion is a choice, race is not.

cobaltsays...

The opression of women in some Muslim societies does not mean that all Muslims oppress women. But then that wasn't implied in the video. He was pointing out that the so called "Muslim fundamentalist" terrorists support this opression. I put Muslim funadmentalist in quote marks because they are clearly not true Muslims if they take those beliefs.

jwraysays...

>> ^joedirt:
Please do not post videos that make fun of other races. Because of the high volume of traffic on the site, it would be very easy to offend a good deal of people with material like this. If you think the material is questionable, it's probably not going to pass our standards.

This is also very ignorant on the whole myth of 72 virgins. Yeah I know it's just a comedian... If you're going to whip that out, I got some blackface videos I've been meaning to post.


This has absolutely NOTHING to do with race. It's about what some people CHOOSE to believe.

>> ^cobalt:
I put Muslim funadmentalist in quote marks because they are clearly not true Muslims if they take those beliefs.


You can find plenty of quotes in the Koran both for and against what they believe. That's inevitable in such a self-contradictory work. Different sects just cherry-pick differently, but it's all there in the Koran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence#Treatment_of_domestic_violence_in_the_Qur.27an
"kill them wherever you find them" -- Koran 2:191
"Allah is most merciful" -- every other line in the Koran

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