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The Dutch government fell because 1 of the 3 leading parties is a radical right party and only does what is popular, not what is smart.

What always surprises me is there is a debate about spending or not in the first place. Spending may or may not help us out of the mess, but its the policies that got us into this that should finally be looked at.

On top of that, the spend more philosophy is a hard one to defend. There is no good evidence it does anything but raise the debt the government is in. Every time it has failed, the believers simply say that it was even more that was required. When it didnt fail, was it truly due to more spending?

In the past, when everyone was still more or less isolated gaining more government debt was fine. You could always print more money. Today the inflation and especially devaluation vs other currencies will make your troubles worse.

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rbar says...

"Animals have no moral obligation" - chimps live in groups and have a clearly moral obligation to each other. So do all other group animals if not all other animals.
"Without god there is no moral accountability" - accept what the rest of the world thinks, which is exactly what secular morality is, democratic morality.
"Giving the finality of death, it doesnt matter how you live" - except when you are alive and have to live with others who do care.
etc etc

His view is that anything made by men is not good enough, where as the secular view is that God is made by a part of men and that secular morals are at least based on rationality of all men.

The theist is full of misinformation, just a pretty face and good discussion skills. Blah. I was hoping for a true discussion.

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