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blankfist says...

Capitalism didn't write the Indian Removal Act of 1830. Government did. And it was Andrew Jackson who signed it into law, and he was the first Democratic president who believed in the power of popular votes. Also a huge racist. But if you want to blame capitalism for the ills of majority rule and statism, knock yourself out.

And I do find it amusing that you can mention Stalin in one sentence and then claim statism has done far more good than harm. I believe a basic knowledge of human government through history would easily disprove that assertion.

I think what's more apt is that statism tries to reform its past failings. Marriage shouldn't even be a government issue, in my opinion, gay or otherwise. I don't know you well enough, but I assume when the forty-year war on drugs finally ends in the US you'd chock that up to "See? In the long run government works!"

Even though it causes the very problems the people beg it to fix. Government is a sick cult.

ChaosEngine said:

I'm going to leave aside the highly dubious assertion that is was democracy and not rampant capitalism that stole the land from the Native Americans.

But you still don't get it. I am not required to condone or accept everything that is done in the name of "statism", any more than being an atheist makes me condone Stalins religious purges.

Once again, yeah, that is a terrible injustice and it should be righted. But on balance, "statism" has done far more good than harm.

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blankfist says...

183 years ago, Native Americans used to own land east of the Mississippi. Until democracy.

ChaosEngine said:

Yes, that is how we change things. It's slow, cumbersome, subject to corruption and lobbying and often the oppressors aren't punished and the victims don't live to see the changes.

But in the long run, it works.

120 years ago, women couldn't even vote.
60 years ago, it was considered perfectly fine to discriminate against ethnic minorities.
When I grew up, legalised gay marriage was unthinkable (hell, being gay was still a crime in many places until I was in my teens).

All these things were changed, through protest and democracy. They are all far from solved problems, and there have been a few steps back along the way (NSA, Guantanamo, etc) but for most people life is better now than it has been in the past.

There's a reason Churchill called democracy "the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” We've seen the other and they're way worse than this.

So no, I don't accept it and yeah, I punch my paper and eventually, shit gets done.

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blankfist says...

Not condone in a way that may be approval of rape, but you're forced to accept it if it's state-sanctioned, because you can't change it. You're powerless to do so. But you won't admit it.

VoodooV said:

that would take away from the hyperbole. all statists condone rape after all.

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see I can overuse words to an absurd level and make sweeping generalizations too..woo!

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blankfist says...

You don't have to approve of it, but you're certainly forced to accept it, because there's really no way to change it is there? How could you? Most local police departments receive militarized weaponry and vehicles, and even funding, from the federal government, and no one has done a thing to stop that.

You can't fire the police. In fact, the most you can do is complain. And how often do police launch internal investigations only to find later that the officers being investigated acting in accordance with protocol? So often it's almost protocol itself.

So what can you do? Vote for politicians to reform the system? Isn't that quant. The statist's only recourse to problems like these is to punch holes in a piece of paper every four years and that seems to put their whole worldview into perspective somehow. It's chilling, actually.

ChaosEngine said:

This is just awful. But unfortunately, as a "statist", I am forced to condone this kind of treatment.

Oh no, wait, that's utter bullshit.

This is wrong, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with your political ideology. Claiming that "statists" support police brutality is as retarded as claiming people who oppose gun control support murder.

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blankfist says...

It's amazing how little coverage Snowden is receiving over here. The LAX shooter is getting all the exposure. Not to diminish what he did, but the LAX shooter kills one guy and wounds three, and he's on the front page for days. The U.S. government drones hundreds of women and children and barely a mention.

Thanks for sharing. Very cool.

radx said:

Now we're talking:

https://twitter.com/MdB_Stroebele/status/395983017895657472/photo/1

That's a prominent member of our parliament who met with Snowden to find out if he'd be willing to testify in a case against the US. Not going to happen. He had made it clear from the beginning that he's not going to hurt the US and the Russians would revoke his temporary asylum should he divulge more information.

But the mere fact that they made it public is rather astonishing.

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