Why are voters so stupid? Before I Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/all other wars I agree, this party was pretty lame.

However, since then they have become a viable option not just in my opinion, but in the opinion that was liberal back in those days. Stupid people just haven't caught up. Although I truly value your thinking and openness Chaos, I cannot fathom why someone as smart as you can't get it...so I will explain it in another post.

My point here will be this---the party is not why I am voting. The candidate is as honest as Bernie Sanders, despite the fact that it will cost him the election. So he earns my vote, not on platform, but period.

And notice--that party actually VOTED DOWN THE CRAZY SHITHEADS, unlike the main parties.

Yes Samantha, attack (in a humorous way...sure...like that matters) Rand Paul and Ted Cruz for their rightness. See, because they are right here (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) you can't believe these dumb fuck quacks are actually human here....

Hrm, another reason to find rape funny...I guess...

APPLAUD THEM. EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG IN OTHER AREAS.

How about off decency alone? We have fallen into a pit trap of voting for people (Who are bought out by the rich) just because they promise us things will be different under them...do it Chaos, for your own morals.

Then vote for him. Not on platform, but honesty. And besides, the other two are definitely worse and are only out for the rich.

Huh reminds me of Clinton's racist bull shit. Gary Johnson baby.

I feel she is bad as Trump over her record. Racist? Check. Even Obama spit on her apology when she went to ask for forgiveness for her blatant racism, then exploded on him when he wasn't about to be a fool.

Chronic liar? Check. I know some embellishing is to be expected but there is a certain point when it becomes too much. Florida Governor Rick Scott is a great example of batshit crazy lying. Sarah Palin is too. Yet they never claimed to be under sniper fire, downplayed a massive federal investigation (because she tried to be shady because she is fucking stupid) and lied about their record every chance they got.

Homophobic? Of course we can't ask and won't tell...I mean if those faggots try to marry she won't support it unless it wins her an election...stupid faggots... Oh wait, definitely against LBGT. Check.

Bribed? Check...

Inciting? Check. If it serves a purpose sure.

I could go on and on. But to do so is to lessen my own validity. And if you aren't sure about those examples, don't ask me to cite them please. They are well-known and anyone not paying attention to their candidate of choice doesn't deserve a to be handed the information they should know...

@bareboards2 "But what is true is -- if people, all sorts of people, don't go to the polls in November to stop him, then Trump has a good chance of being President the way it looks currently. That is just a simple fact, and all the words you type don't change that simple fact."

Why not change that shit statement to this?

"But what is true is -- IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF people who were fucked and treated like morons, all sorts of people that were treated like they didn't fucking matter, which they don't because you have to vote a certain way to stop Trump, don't go to the polls in November to stop him, then Trump will be President the way it looks currently. That is just a simple fact, and all the words you type don't change that simple fact."

Also, congratulations, you are using Republican thinking. They too will vote for the same exact reason you are but just for a different candidate. They don't want Hillary to win because they fear she is as bad as Trump. And I say yes, yes she is. Slowly our country has went to shit as her and her ilk have drained any goodness out. Trump is just a quicker cancer.

Truly well said eric. I feel this way too. Unfortunately, @bareboards2 is so intent on defeating the enemy (Trump) that she doesn't realize the enemy (the DNC and often Hilary) has already defeated itself.

Um, I don't think that was Bob's or Milkman's point. And the point is all that matters because the fact that America is fucked up is irrelevant. Just as saying country A is okay so all government will not fall into the trap.

Fact is EVERY government since the start of mankind has fallen into this trap. Some take longer than others, and there are insulating features (such as nations that are sheltered by natural terrian, those with rich resources, those with low populations, and those that have never had a TRULY meaningful impact on the world but just kinda get by.)

America's problems are myriad but I think it's because they won too much in the last century and are about to fall, as any great boxer has.

Edit added later:

And no, most other governments are not. Russia, China, North Korea, many South American nations, Mexico, the Middle East, all those examples are not minor. Now you could say "many" governments.

Actually, donating clothes to Africa is often detrimental to their economy as it puts burdens on craftsman that cannot compete with free products...

I will never vote Hillary, and can tell you that many won't. She is identical to Trump except the D in her party title.

*dead

Huh, never thought of that. So true...and I will add to this. In the past jobs in service have been able to absorb people into it to take up the loss of jobs (Say in agriculture and such.) So when Henry Ford made his assembly line, jobs were created pretty much everywhere. Restaurants are but one great example of this.

But with the techno revolution, the service sector was already pretty full. Now it is saturated. If I see one more new gas station down here in Florida, or another restaurant open, it will be too soon. I remember TWO, TWO Starbucks in the same mall. Such a false economy...

Now add automation and boom...

Automation is not the only problem, true. But here is the funniest part. Everything in a free market is commodified. That is for sale. This includes life saving services even. I.e., a free market. And yet people somehow complain when corporations invest in politics. They claim that investments should not be made in that sector, which I laugh at...

But anyways, to suggest that corporations will lower prices (I.e., profits) just because transportation costs go down is ignoring traditional responses. Lets say grocery stores--which have enormous competition and have been failing let and right--jacked up prices because of rising fuel costs...then fuel went to 1.70 a gallon. Whew, those (lack) of savings are rolling on in... When the labor becomes 0 dollars, we shall see exactly that back...

Now, with that said, hell yeah automate driving. I never implied we shouldn't. Just the 39,000 lives saved, insurance costs, etc are worth it. But I am pointing out a cumalative stacking of bad effects coming up (which have already been slowly hitting.)

Actually, look at the other parts of the world that have begun using the revolution to make more production for themselves and trade. All those people that have been displaced from their jobs (Which were horrible pay/conditions) are still without ANY job. Crime is the result. I forget which deviance book for my classes had that information, but the stats of the newly unemployed who are committing violent acts was very...disturbing.