I was gonna tell a stupid joke, but firefighters got hurt in this so I'll skip it.

A bit off topic, but what I don't get is how so many assholes think free speech is limited to their speech. Listen to the idiot at 8:25.
"I don't think people are entitled to complain..." then he launches into a holier-than-thou speech about "free speech." What the fuck? Does complaining somehow NOT qualify as free speech?
Like half* the clips are this shit. "People don't laugh," "They don't like my offensive joke." Free speech is that you get to say your stupid joke. Free speech is also that I get to say you're a simple-minded unfunny asshole and your mother is ashamed of you. Anything else isn't "free speech" dumbass. By definition you don't get to pick which speech is free and which isn't.

Nothing to do with the Mike Ward stuff, where the government steps in. That's a whole other kettle of fish.

*half. at least. Fuck you.

People are just too spoiled through our society. You grow up as a child, being dragged away and saved from even the slightest bad stuff. In TV you only see happy happy stuff that causes grown ups to feel the urge to barf (Teletubbies for example), and even as a grown up, you are not encouraged to deal with bad stuff and just ignore it with phrases like "its below your standard".

The fact of the matter is that there are many, many very unhappy people, who cant just swallow their misery and poop it out as a smile as many of us may have learned. I mean look at Facebook. Why is there no dislike button? Why do people always get so personal and defensive when you criticize them or their work even objectively? Especially women tend to see things much more personal than men because most of the time they have been cared and "saved" much more, and thats also part reason why there are less women channels, as she put so well.

There are simply people like this and the Internet allows them to openly say what they think. Not to mention that a huge part of those are just stupid jokes that are not meant to hurt anyone. Thats the fucking Internet and society and also shows us problems that need to be fixed PROPERLY. If you cant deal with it, you should go somewhere else where you can concentrate on your mental rainbows only.

We have forgotten how to deal with criticism and unhappy people. Instead we ignore them, generalize them, and make things even worse with that ignorance and then we are surprised when it comes back to us sooner or later at twice or more the power.
Seriously, especially from scientists I expect more thinking than this stupid generalization.
Criticism is an essential part of democracy, freedom and science.

Oh and that doesnt mean one should tolerate crap like that silently, but instead blame the culprit which is our society and that ultimately means we need to change ourselves. We cant change people, we can only change their surroundings, so they change on their own.

"Give me one Carl's Junior and one Carl's Senior so we don't break up the family?"

"My grandson got a Taco Bell, but it doesn't ring. Where's a good bell store?"

Is that really supposed to be funny? Either say something humorous or leave those poor minimum-wage-earning workers alone and stop making them the butt of your very stupid "joke."

What a supremely unfunny annoying dipshit asshole.

Yeah I agree with Lindy on most everything, except her citations. I understand that there exists a "Trigger" that is something that's real. However there is no scientific evidence that jokes perpetuate a culture of rape. I've heard about Rape Culture a lot and I can understand where the ideas come from, like if you constantly hear only bad things about the black community what will you assume when you encounter a black person. That stuff is all very interesting and deserves to be studied, but it's not set in stone, there's simply not enough evidence for it and proper education can over come it.

I've been raised by TV, I love the show Cops when I was a kid, what I saw was violent black people. When I was conscious enough to actually THINK though I didn't come down on the side that black people are inherently violent and are responsible for their own plight. I looked at the facts, what causes the ghettos in America and what we are doing to help people take control of their lives. Basically we've been kicking them in the face since they tried to get their freedom, we've made being black a crime and have incarcerated them in large outdoor prisons.

So I agree that these things like Rape Culture have validity, what Lindy's point was is that they're facts and unimpeachable facts. I don't agree, but I certainly am ok with her calling Daniel Tosh a fucking dick for telling just a really ignorant and stupid joke.

So what I like about this debate more than anything is that it happened. That this is something people can watch and talk about on their own, and discuss with other people. It takes a lot of hard work to build up a mental defense against the onslaught of bullshit we all face everyday, you can more easily do it while commiserating with other people.

I agree with you whole heartedly, Louis CK has thought very long and hard about a lot of things and he's responsible. Daniel Tosh was on stage at a club, relatively young comic who got shitty with a girl and had a very stupid reaction. A lot of people went after him and a lot of others defended him, but it wasn't smart it was a yelling match back and forth which doesn't help anything. This conversation helped everybody on videosift because we're both soo smart bareboards.

lol, no mistake, it was incredibly sarcastic. I just refuse to use the check box! It's Sarcasm for Dummies!

I haven't seen you making an ass of yourself, by the way.. Maybe I don't get around much, but I've never once thought you were an ass
In reply to this comment by RhesusMonk:
I don't think you're fragile. I've made an ass of myself recently (not that you would know, I suppose) by being overly aggressive/defensive I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being a dick as your initial response could very easily have been interpreted as sarcastic. \^\^
In reply to this comment by UsesProzac:
lol.... Why do people think I'm some fragile thing? I just don't like being called "dog shit." You didn't do anything to offend me! Snarky responses are an every day thing for me :
In reply to this comment by RhesusMonk:
Just to be clear: Absolutely zero offense or criticism of any kind intended or even contemplated.
In reply to this comment by UsesProzac:
>> ^RhesusMonk:

I get the joke. It's a stupid joke. Some of the in-joke videos have been hysterical. This one is not.


Sweet, glad you were able to downvote it without waffling like others. I'm really proud of you. I'm marking your day's work as Satisfactory.

I don't think you're fragile. I've made an ass of myself recently (not that you would know, I suppose) by being overly aggressive/defensive I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being a dick as your initial response could very easily have been interpreted as sarcastic.
In reply to this comment by UsesProzac:
lol.... Why do people think I'm some fragile thing? I just don't like being called "dog shit." You didn't do anything to offend me! Snarky responses are an every day thing for me :
In reply to this comment by RhesusMonk:
Just to be clear: Absolutely zero offense or criticism of any kind intended or even contemplated.
In reply to this comment by UsesProzac:
>> ^RhesusMonk:

I get the joke. It's a stupid joke. Some of the in-joke videos have been hysterical. This one is not.


Sweet, glad you were able to downvote it without waffling like others. I'm really proud of you. I'm marking your day's work as Satisfactory.

lol.... Why do people think I'm some fragile thing? I just don't like being called "dog shit." You didn't do anything to offend me! Snarky responses are an every day thing for me
In reply to this comment by RhesusMonk:
Just to be clear: Absolutely zero offense or criticism of any kind intended or even contemplated.
In reply to this comment by UsesProzac:
>> ^RhesusMonk:

I get the joke. It's a stupid joke. Some of the in-joke videos have been hysterical. This one is not.


Sweet, glad you were able to downvote it without waffling like others. I'm really proud of you. I'm marking your day's work as Satisfactory.

Just to be clear: Absolutely zero offense or criticism of any kind intended or even contemplated.
In reply to this comment by UsesProzac:
>> ^RhesusMonk:

I get the joke. It's a stupid joke. Some of the in-joke videos have been hysterical. This one is not.


Sweet, glad you were able to downvote it without waffling like others. I'm really proud of you. I'm marking your day's work as Satisfactory.

>> ^RhesusMonk:

I get the joke. It's a stupid joke. Some of the in-joke videos have been hysterical. This one is not.


Sweet, glad you were able to downvote it without waffling like others. I'm really proud of you. I'm marking your day's work as Satisfactory.

I get the joke. It's a stupid joke. Some of the in-joke videos have been hysterical. This one is not.

>> ^Hive13:

I'm sorry, but football is becoming a stupid joke. What a stupid fucking rule. Let him celebrate and talk shit. It is football FFS.
Are you afraid your little footieball players are going to get their feelings hurt by his outstretched arms?


Agreed. Hell I'll take it a step further. I'm no longer watching College football until this rule is eliminated. Fuck You NCAA!

I'm sorry, but football is becoming a stupid joke. What a stupid fucking rule. Let him celebrate and talk shit. It is football FFS.

Are you afraid your little footieball players are going to get their feelings hurt by his outstretched arms?

>> ^criticalthud:

yes, we can debate laws and other agreements of questionable merit. but
i kind of think the US is acting like an asshole. our image worldwide is fucked.
does anyone not get that we militarily occupy their holy land? we got our fingers so deep in their pants. we declare war when it suits us, and we blast them with drones and gunships from afar - and, quite naturally, they see it as acts of cowardice.
and then we have headlines about killing the guy who made an underwear bomb that didn't work. whoopee, we killed the crotch-bomber. the world is safe. billions of dollars and a ruined world image, while we create 10 enemies for every one we kill. what a sick stupid joke.


My 21yo cousin is hiking through Afghanistan with his M4. You call that cowardice?

Every day he's sending pictures of the kids' school he's protecting, or the land mines he's removing. Those Taliban types, they've sure got honor on their side.