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It's Time ... (Sift Talk Post)

oritteropo says...

It would be awfully nice if the powerpoints you earn from deadpool fixes could be stacked rather than having a limit of 1 (or two for charter). In general, a deadpool fix takes me between 5 and 20 minutes depending on whether or not there was a thumbnail, how good the tags were etc., and the times I can spend this much time on it tend to be bad times for actually using power points, like the middle of the night in the U.S.... argh!

It's Time ... (Sift Talk Post)

xxovercastxx says...

>> ^Sarzy:

Whaaaat? It's been a while since we had the requeue, so I'm going to assume you've forgotten how it worked, and somehow made it more arduous in your mind over the years. You only had to requeue a video once every couple of days. That's it. And no one was forcing you to do it. If you don't like it, just ignore it and go about your business as usual. But it made it a bajillion times easier to successfully sift stuff that's a bit off the beaten path (eg. not known properties like Zero Punctuation or Daily Show, or obvious vote-getters like a cute cat or something with boobies in the thumbnail).
Promote is okay, but unless you're buying powerpoints, you only get one every couple of days -- and personally, whenever I promote one of my own videos I feel like a jerk, because I feel like I should be using those points to promote or quality someone else's stuff.
Anyway, I don't think typing requeue once every two days is particularly masochistic, but then maybe my definition of that word and yours differs somewhat.


I remember that it meant you had to continuously requeue your videos or they got discarded.

I remember that especially active members could keep their videos in the queue perpetually.

I remember that some of us just plain stopped submitting videos because we had so little chance of getting anything through.

I don't even think there's any need for the queue so obviously I'm not going to be a fan of requeue. (I first made my argument for no queues here.)

Though, as I was digging up that comment I just linked to, I found some discussion that reminded me that requeue had a different function prior to the disaster that I've been thinking of. Perhaps that's the requeue you're talking about.

It's Time ... (Sift Talk Post)

Sarzy says...

>> ^xxovercastxx:

We don't need beg or requeue anymore, we've got promote. Adjust the power point cap so everyone can use it, if necessary. Please don't make us requeue our videos every 8 hours to keep them alive. Let masochists like @Sarzy get their abuse elsewhere.


Whaaaat? It's been a while since we had the requeue, so I'm going to assume you've forgotten how it worked, and somehow made it more arduous in your mind over the years. You only had to requeue a video once every couple of days. That's it. And no one was forcing you to do it. If you don't like it, just ignore it and go about your business as usual. But it made it a bajillion times easier to successfully sift stuff that's a bit off the beaten path (eg. not known properties like Zero Punctuation or Daily Show, or obvious vote-getters like a cute cat or something with boobies in the thumbnail).

Promote is okay, but unless you're buying powerpoints, you only get one every couple of days -- and personally, whenever I promote one of my own videos I feel like a jerk, because I feel like I should be using those points to promote or quality someone else's stuff.

Anyway, I don't think typing *requeue once every two days is particularly masochistic, but then maybe my definition of that word and yours differs somewhat.

It's Time ... (Sift Talk Post)

alien_concept says...

>> ^Hybrid:

1. Make it so I can choose a custom thumbnail in the actual submission page. I would be happy with just this!
2. Ditch the Top 10 Lounge Lizards box from the front page. Not all member ranks can access the lounge anyway.
3. Remove the "login with facebook" button from the top of the page, and put that onto the member login page directly. So a user either logs in with facebook or their username & password. That seems to be the standard way of doing things.
4. Clean up all the social networking integrations/icons/text about the place. A generic "social networking" panel on the right of the page (perhaps replacing the Top 10 lounge lizards box), might be a cleaner way of doing things.
5. A dynamic ticker bar for the top of site, viewable on most pages. Cycles recent "news items" and by that I mean: Videos hitting #1, videos going Top 15, members ranking up, new sift talk posts, new blog posts. Maybe even badge awards (though that might be a lot of news items to cycle).... When news items are low it could generate informal ones like "@dag is only 3 sifts away from getting their crown. Click here to look at their pqueue" etc. I actually had a similar idea for just publicising member rankings before: http://videosift.com/talk/Publicize-member-rank-increases
6. Auto-generated sift talk posts by Siftbot when a member reaches gold or above? Could be a nice way to make sure people don't go unnoticed when they rank up? Though I am aware that there have been some great custom, new rank sift talk posts in the past, so it would lose that aspect.
7. A page (similar to the no thumbs page), that has all the videos that have had dupeof called on them, but are awaiting the second isdupe invocation. Also, I think we do need a notdupe invocation to cancel out bad dupeof calls, before someone randomly calls isdupe without proper checking.
8. Ditch Beggar's Canyon.
9. Server load permitting I guess, but open up the lounge to all non-probie ranks.
10. The ability to transfer powerpoints to another member. I know, strange request, but it'd be nice to have this for those times when members want to reward another for helping them out with finding a video or something.


And this from the guy who just wants custom thumbnails

I love #6 too. It's such a shame we don't seem to make such a celebration of people's milestones like we used to. I really don't think the community is any less inclined, just that we've got lax about it.

It's Time ... (Sift Talk Post)

Hybrid says...

1. Make it so I can choose a custom thumbnail in the actual submission page. I would be happy with just this!

2. Ditch the Top 10 Lounge Lizards box from the front page. Not all member ranks can access the lounge anyway.

3. Remove the "login with facebook" button from the top of the page, and put that onto the member login page directly. So a user either logs in with facebook or their username & password. That seems to be the standard way of doing things.

4. Clean up all the social networking integrations/icons/text about the place. A generic "social networking" panel on the right of the page (perhaps replacing the Top 10 lounge lizards box), might be a cleaner way of doing things.

5. A dynamic ticker bar for the top of site, viewable on most pages. Cycles recent "news items" and by that I mean: Videos hitting #1, videos going Top 15, members ranking up, new sift talk posts, new blog posts. Maybe even badge awards (though that might be a lot of news items to cycle).... When news items are low it could generate informal ones like "@dag is only 3 sifts away from getting their crown. Click here to look at their pqueue" etc. I actually had a similar idea for just publicising member rankings before: http://videosift.com/talk/Publicize-member-rank-increases

6. Auto-generated sift talk posts by Siftbot when a member reaches gold or above? Could be a nice way to make sure people don't go unnoticed when they rank up? Though I am aware that there have been some great custom, new rank sift talk posts in the past, so it would lose that aspect.

7. A page (similar to the no thumbs page), that has all the videos that have had dupeof called on them, but are awaiting the second isdupe invocation. Also, I think we do need a *notdupe invocation to cancel out bad dupeof calls, before someone randomly calls *isdupe without proper checking.

8. Ditch Beggar's Canyon.

9. Server load permitting I guess, but open up the lounge to all non-probie ranks.

10. The ability to transfer powerpoints to another member. I know, strange request, but it'd be nice to have this for those times when members want to reward another for helping them out with finding a video or something.

Badge Idea (Sift Talk Post)

Hybrid says...

There's already the 'assister' badge, which I think is awarded if you promote and/or quality a video before it's sifted. I think that's good enough, and involves some effort and spending of powerpoints.

A badge for simply voting would see people end up with ridiculous levels of those badges. It's kinda rewarding people for doing the most basic thing on the site.

... saying that, anything to get people visiting the unsifted section more is a Good Thing™, I'm just not sure this is the solution.

My 2 cents.

luxury_pie (Member Profile)

oritteropo says...



No, Mr Pie, I expect you to... oh wait, wrong movie

You're welcome, and no ulterior motives really. I was planning to promote those ones anyway, I just brought them forward a little. Maybe I did get a little bit carried away, but oh well too late now.
In reply to this comment by luxury_pie:
Wow, that were a lot of powerpoints.
But I'm seeing what you're up to, you want me to use my incoming promotion-powers for your evil purposes, eh? Well, we will see about that, Dr. O. Ritter Opo !!
But thanks anyway! :

oritteropo (Member Profile)

luxury_pie says...

Wow, that were a lot of powerpoints.
But I'm seeing what you're up to, you want me to use my incoming promotion-powers for your evil purposes, eh? Well, we will see about that, Dr. O. Ritter Opo !!
But thanks anyway!

*SiftTalk: Earning a Star Point in VideoSift (Talks Talk Post)

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

I don't know if this holds true for all of us - but what I like - when I get a video sifted, is that it's discussed and shared a lot. This is my "reward" for finding something great. You don't get that Sally Fields "You really like me" dopamine thrill from things that trickle to 10 votes 3 months after they are posted. >> ^longde:

True, but I'm assuming that most people who vote for a video in the long run, find it through search engines. Or the "related videos" list.
Also assuming that front page exposure matters less to a sifter than powerpoints, though one does generate the other.>> ^dag:
But the "eventually it will Sift" model - doesn't give the video the exposure on the front page that a "hot" video would get. Just something to consider.
>> ^longde:
When we talk about something sifting, we really mean something sifting in 2-3 days. However, given that anyone can upvote (lurker or sifter), in the long run, if your video is truly high quality, it will be sifted. Actually, I think in the long run any video with even a minimal appeal will get sifted. In other words, if you have a PQ of 1000 vids of some nominal quality, you can do nothing and in 5-10 years you will reach crown.
I think the sift will reach a steady state, where the tastes of outsiders (vs. active sifters) will affect the overall popularity of videos (as measured by votes) on the site.
So, I sift what I like, knowing that in the long run, 10 votes is a low barrier.



*SiftTalk: Earning a Star Point in VideoSift (Talks Talk Post)

longde says...

True, but I'm assuming that most people who vote for a video in the long run, find it through search engines. Or the "related videos" list.

Also assuming that front page exposure matters less to a sifter than powerpoints, though one does generate the other.>> ^dag:

But the "eventually it will Sift" model - doesn't give the video the exposure on the front page that a "hot" video would get. Just something to consider.
>> ^longde:
When we talk about something sifting, we really mean something sifting in 2-3 days. However, given that anyone can upvote (lurker or sifter), in the long run, if your video is truly high quality, it will be sifted. Actually, I think in the long run any video with even a minimal appeal will get sifted. In other words, if you have a PQ of 1000 vids of some nominal quality, you can do nothing and in 5-10 years you will reach crown.
I think the sift will reach a steady state, where the tastes of outsiders (vs. active sifters) will affect the overall popularity of videos (as measured by votes) on the site.
So, I sift what I like, knowing that in the long run, 10 votes is a low barrier.


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