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Sam Harris: the problem is not fundamentalists

bcglorf says...

Uh oh, the blasphemer displayed a likeness of the Prophet! Quick, all good muslims must now riot violently and cause deaths to avenge the acts of the man that would blaspheme the religion of peace...

Good talk.

jesus was a buddhist monk-BBC documentary

chicchorea says...

...you are just confusing the issue with all those facts!

Blasphemer!

>> ^enoch:

>> ^shinyblurry:
There is no evidence for this. This whole thing started because someone claimed to find documentation at an isolated monestary (i think in tibet) of Jesus' missing years. It was never confirmed, nor did anyone ever see the documents.
This is just yet another lie trying to cast doubt on the resurrection, so people won't believe that Christ was who He said He was. A lot of people can't make up their mind about Jesus..so they say He was a good man who was very wise. Well, if you read the scriptures you can't believe that. Jesus said outright He was God, and that He is the judge of the living and the dead..so either he is a liar or insane, or He was telling the truth and is our Lord and Savior. There isn't any middle ground there.

no shinyblurry.
there is no middle ground for you ,which has nothing to do with faith or belief in jesus but is entirely about YOUR belief in doctrine and dogma.
267 books of the bible..all by biblical authors yet only 66 IN the bible (KJV) or 73 (if you are catholic).
164 revisions.
over 22,000 mistranslations: CONFIRMED.
josephius flavius:debunked.
i can do this all day scooter.
as for jesus's life after resurrection i tend to agree that it is speculation based on rumor and tidbits of conjecture but the gospels themselves are based in many instances in the exact same way.
the bible is an incomplete text.
we now have:
the gospel of judas.
the gospel of mary.
the gospel of james.
the gospel of thomas.
and so much more but the church will never recognize anything apart from what has been canonized since 325 A.D.jesus didnt build the church..constantine,hippo and carthage did..nicean council 325 A.D.before that christianity would be unrecognizable to you or any other christian on the planet.
your comments have an evangelical flavor to them so i know my comment will be ignored because you are self-righteous in your own certitude based on a seriously flawed scriptural text.
any perceived deviation from canonized scripture is to be viewed as coming from satan and therefore a lie.
how very....dark ages of you.
only a fundamentalist or evangelical would view digging for the truth as a way to confuse and cast doubt.
is your faith based in jesus?
or a book?
because from what i have seen of your comments it is the latter.
well.you go have fun with that.

Real Exorcism caught on tape

shinyblurry says...

A Christian is someone who follows Christ and the true church is the body of Christ. This means that all the different denominations are false divisions in the body. This doesn't mean they don't have any Christians, it just means that the church is not a human institution..the catholics for example, most of what they do is not biblical, and is in fact blasphemy. There is no such thing as a pope, or nuns, or monks or priests in the bible. Neither are there sacraments. The conception of the virgin mary and the immaculate conception are both unbiblical and blasphemous. The same with bowing to statues, the worship of Mary, and confession. The catholic church is rife with apostacy. Does this mean no catholic is saved? I wouldn't say that..I don't limit God. I would say though that if I were catholic I wouldn't be confident of my salvation.

I wasn't "indoctrinated". I grew up agnostic, without any religion. I was a strict materialist who would have fit right in with many of the sifters here. I can understand the perspective of someone who can't see a spiritual reality because that used to be my perspective. I probably would have scoffed at this video too, but it would have been from the depths of ignorance. I have direct knowledge that there is a demonic host controlled by Satan who runs this world and is bent on seperating every soul on Earth from Jesus Christ. I have dealt directly with evil spirits, spoken to them directly, and have been directly deceived by them. This girl, whatever her history is, is/was possessed..of that there is no doubt.

Science is great, but this is spiritual warfare. You may not understand it, but you live in harmony with this world system and thus passively support the objectives of the enemy. Everytime you're arguing against Christ, you are doing Satans work for him. The world itself isn't frightening..

matthew 10:28

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. If you're a jew, you should know that much.
>> ^G-bar:
First, It is stated in the video that she had had this "possession" for a long time, and her medieval parents were taking her to those voodoo sessions for quite some time. This hints that the girl could be suffering from a minor mental illness and/or autism, which the parents are either too dumb or too religious to realize. Making her do things against her will over and over again might make her go completely crazy.
Second, If catholics are not the real Christians, who is? what are you shiny? how can you justify your own belief as the correct one?
And to sum it up, you throw every possible scientific measures against evolution, and now this? come on shiny, let go of your childhood indoctrination. Use your own eyes to see the world and you will see it is not as frightening as they told u it would be.

Girl's Opinion on Ireland's Blasphemy Legislation

moodonia says...

This girl is way off about the law and its consequences. First its not like anyone in Ireland got a say in this, second its not like anyone was ever arrested or will be. This has less to do with religions power in Ireland (it has f all these days post child raping) and more to do with political correctness, multiculturalism and the danish mohammed cartoons.

Blasphemy laws were always on the Irish lawbooks going way back, since it was an offense under the 1937 constitution to be blasphemous towards christianity they had to update that for multicultural 21st century ireland. For the most incompetent, corrupt and clueless government in Irish history, the cheapest, easiest and most half assed way of doing it quickly was to pass legislation rather than having a referendum to update the constitution and thereby have a public debate which would have been universally against the blasphemy measure, even the Christian churches.

Anyway, lots of people are doing their best to be charged with blasphemy but so far no winners. Ireland has a lot of unenforced or rarely enforced laws on its books, this is just one that invites ridicule from all over the world and deservedly so.

All quite depressing really.

Evolution is a hoax

shinyblurry says...

So in other words you have no refutation to the video and nothing to contribute to the discussion

>> ^enoch:
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since January 21st, 2011" href="http://videosift.com/member/shinyblurry">shinyblurry
1.you accuse people of being intellectually incurious,stupid or downright wrong based solely on your own understandings.yet cry like a whiny little girl if someone even remotely disagrees or criticizes anything you postulate and demand to be deemed as factual.
2.you stomp your feet and passive aggressively admonish people for cherry-picking or twisting your words yet are oblivious to your own exact same behavior.
3.you accuse others in self-righteous indignation of trolling and seem oblivious to your own trollish mannerisms.
4.your own circular logic is also hidden from you but you have no problem accusing others of formulating their arguments as such.
5.when confronted with a solid argument you cannot deflect or cherry pick your resolve to most infantile and pathetic of excuses.."satan did it"..how very..dark ages of you.here is a hint:the christian reformation was pinnacle in ushering in the "age of enlightenment".you may wish to look that up.
your blatant hypocrisy is one of the reasons i do not engage with you.
why would i?
it would be a waste of time.
but i knew..KNEW you would eventually reveal yourself to be the self righteous prick you are and on THIS thread you reveal your true colors.
so i say this in defense of burdy and the many other christians who participate on this site:
you are false.
a fundamentalist pretending to be an evangelical who is so convinced of his own righteousness based soley on his pathetic and limited understanding of the bible.a bible which you believe to be the un-erring word of god and BECAUSE you believe so strongly in this you feel you have the authority to deem another un-worthy,unclean and utterly failing in their own faith.
to deem an atheist as such is too easy but YOU have judged another christian to be UNWORTHY!
burdy is a devout christian,as are many others here,yet you..and i quote:
"You have a schitzophrenic faith, my friend. I would call you my brother but it doesn't appear that you know our Lord. It appears that in your picture you are ashamed of your Lord. So allow me to enlighten you for your edification:"
you are a child who lacks understanding.
who stomps his feet and calls people names when they disagree with him.
who feels attacked when his holy book is questioned,as if it were somehow personal.
but to judge another somehow lacking because that person does not subscribe to YOUR interpretation is blasphemous.
how DARE you sir.
fundamentalism is the single most powerful tool for ignorance this world society has ever known.
it stagnates the brain and stunts any form of growth.
it promotes ignorance and hate while wearing the false guise of acceptance and unity.
i was wrong in my initial assesment of you.
you are not an evangelical...you are a fundamentalist.
but you have your right to say and do as you wish and your voice is welcome here.
i for one absolutely LOVE your posts!
especially the comment section.
you amuse me like no other.
your solid entertainment prowess is unmatched.
so...please continue..
it amuses me.
oh.
and burdy will always be a far better christian than you could ever hope to be shinyblurry.
you might want to accept that fact and follow his example.
you might actually learn something.
i look forward to your bullet form refutation filled with nonsense and self righteous indignation.
which of course i will ignore.

Evolution is a hoax

enoch says...

@shinyblurry
1.you accuse people of being intellectually incurious,stupid or downright wrong based solely on your own understandings.yet cry like a whiny little girl if someone even remotely disagrees or criticizes anything you postulate and demand to be deemed as factual.
2.you stomp your feet and passive aggressively admonish people for cherry-picking or twisting your words yet are oblivious to your own exact same behavior.
3.you accuse others in self-righteous indignation of trolling and seem oblivious to your own trollish mannerisms.
4.your own circular logic is also hidden from you but you have no problem accusing others of formulating their arguments as such.
5.when confronted with a solid argument you cannot deflect or cherry pick your resolve to most infantile and pathetic of excuses.."satan did it"..how very..dark ages of you.here is a hint:the christian reformation was pinnacle in ushering in the "age of enlightenment".you may wish to look that up.

your blatant hypocrisy is one of the reasons i do not engage with you.
why would i?
it would be a waste of time.
but i knew..KNEW you would eventually reveal yourself to be the self righteous prick you are and on THIS thread you reveal your true colors.
so i say this in defense of burdy and the many other christians who participate on this site:
you are false.
a fundamentalist pretending to be an evangelical who is so convinced of his own righteousness based soley on his pathetic and limited understanding of the bible.a bible which you believe to be the un-erring word of god and BECAUSE you believe so strongly in this you feel you have the authority to deem another un-worthy,unclean and utterly failing in their own faith.
to deem an atheist as such is too easy but YOU have judged another christian to be UNWORTHY!
burdy is a devout christian,as are many others here,yet you..and i quote:
"You have a schitzophrenic faith, my friend. I would call you my brother but it doesn't appear that you know our Lord. It appears that in your picture you are ashamed of your Lord. So allow me to enlighten you for your edification:"

you are a child who lacks understanding.
who stomps his feet and calls people names when they disagree with him.
who feels attacked when his holy book is questioned,as if it were somehow personal.
but to judge another somehow lacking because that person does not subscribe to YOUR interpretation is blasphemous.
how DARE you sir.
fundamentalism is the single most powerful tool for ignorance this world society has ever known.
it stagnates the brain and stunts any form of growth.
it promotes ignorance and hate while wearing the false guise of acceptance and unity.
i was wrong in my initial assesment of you.
you are not an evangelical...you are a fundamentalist.

but you have your right to say and do as you wish and your voice is welcome here.
i for one absolutely LOVE your posts!
especially the comment section.
you amuse me like no other.
your solid entertainment prowess is unmatched.
so...please continue..
it amuses me.

oh.
and burdy will always be a far better christian than you could ever hope to be shinyblurry.
you might want to accept that fact and follow his example.
you might actually learn something.

i look forward to your bullet form refutation filled with nonsense and self righteous indignation.
which of course i will ignore.

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Christopher Hitchens on the ropes vs William Lane Craig

shinyblurry says...

@Mazex

Well, where your claim about brainwashed people falls apart is that if Jesus was made up (which no reputed historian would claim), or His resurrection wasn't true, his disciples certainly wouldn't have martyred themselves for that lie. Being direct witnesses of the fact, you can't claim they were brainwashed. So yeah.

I posted the historical reliability of the bible because it shows its not just cooked up, as you tried to claim. It's highly intricate, and I dare say it would be actually be more miraculous for holding up so reliably if it wasnt true. 100 percent historical accuracy is pretty compelling, I think..it indicates that these are honest eye witness accounts we're dealing with.

Here are some interesting science facts that the bible fortold thousands of years before science knew anything about it..pretty good for made up isnt it?

The earth free-floats in space (Job 26:7), affected only by gravity. While other sources declared the earth sat on the back of an elephant or turtle, or was held up by Atlas, the Bible alone states what we now know to be true – “He hangs the earth on nothing.”

Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.

Oceans contain springs (Job 38:16). The ocean is very deep. Almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the pressure there is enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the "springs of the sea." Until recently, it was thought that oceans were fed only by rivers and rain. Yet in the 1970s, with the help of deep diving research submarines that were constructed to withstand 6,000 pounds-per-square-inch pressure, oceanographers discovered springs on the ocean floors!

There are mountains on the bottom of the ocean floor (Jonah 2:5-6). Only in the last century have we discovered that there are towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the sea

Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11; 14). Up until 120 years ago, sick people were “bled” and many died as a result (e.g. George Washington). Today we know that healthy blood is necessary to bring life-giving nutrients to every cell in the body. God declared that “the life of the flesh is in the blood” long before science understood its function.

Noble behavior understood (John 15:13; Romans 5:7-8). The Bible and history reveal that countless people have endangered or even sacrificed their lives for another. This reality is completely at odds with Darwin’s theory of the survival of the fittest.

The first three verses of Genesis accurately express all known aspects of the creation (Genesis 1:1-3). Science expresses the universe in terms of: time, space, matter, and energy. In Genesis chapter one we read: “In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)…Then God said, “Let there be light (energy).” No other creation account agrees with the observable evidence.

The universe had a beginning (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 1:10-12). Starting with the studies of Albert Einstein in the early 1900s and continuing today, science has confirmed the biblical view that the universe had a beginning. When the Bible was written most people believed the universe was eternal. Science has proven them wrong, but the Bible correct.

Light can be divided (Job 38:24). Sir Isaac Newton studied light and discovered that white light is made of seven colors, which can be “parted” and then recombined. Science confirmed this four centuries ago – God declared this four millennia ago!

Ocean currents anticipated (Psalm 8:8). Three thousand years ago the Bible described the “paths of the seas.” In the 19th century Matthew Maury – the father of oceanography – after reading Psalm 8, researched and discovered ocean currents that follow specific paths through the seas! Utilizing Maury’s data, marine navigators have since reduced by many days the time required to traverse the seas.

Incalculable number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22). At a time when less than 5,000 stars were visible to the human eye, God stated that the stars of heaven were innumerable. Not until the 17th century did Galileo glimpse the immensity of our universe with his new telescope. Today, astronomers estimate that there are ten thousand billion trillion stars – that’s a 1 followed by 25 zeros! Yet, as the Bible states, scientists admit this number may be woefully inadequate.

The number of stars, though vast, are finite (Isaiah 40:26). Although man is unable to calculate the exact number of stars, we now know their number is finite. Of course God knew this all along – “He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name” (Psalm 147:4). What an awesome God!

The fact that God once flooded the earth (the Noahic Flood) would be denied (2 Peter 3:5-6). There is a mass of fossil evidence to prove this fact, yet it is flatly ignored by most of the scientific world because it was God’s judgment on man’s wickedness.

The continents were created as one large land mass (Genesis 1:9-10). Many geologists agree there is strong evidence that the earth was originally one super continent – just as the Bible said way back in Genesis.

Life begins at fertilization (Jeremiah 1:5). God declares that He knew us before we were born. The biblical penalty for murdering an unborn child was death (Exodus 21:22-23). Today, it is an irrefutable biological fact that the fertilized egg is truly an entire human being. Nothing will be added to the first cell except nutrition and oxygen.

God has created all mankind from one blood (Acts 17:26; Genesis 5). Today researchers have discovered that we have all descended from one gene pool. For example, a 1995 study of a section of Y chromosomes from 38 men from different ethnic groups around the world was consistent with the biblical teaching that we all come from one man (Adam)

Origin of the major language groups explained (Genesis 11). After the rebellion at Babel, God scattered the people by confounding the one language into many languages. Evolution teaches that we all evolved from a common ancestor, yet offers no mechanism to explain the origin of the thousands of diverse languages in existence today.

Origin of the different “races” explained (Genesis 11). As Noah’s descendants migrated around the world after Babel, each language group developed distinct features based on environment and genetic variation. Those with a genetic makeup suitable to their new environment survived to reproduce. Over time, certain traits (such as dark skin color for those closer to the equator) dominated. Genesis alone offers a reasonable answer to the origin of the races and languages.

Air has weight (Job 28:25). It was once thought that air was weightless. Yet 4,000 years ago Job declared that God established “a weight for the wind.” In recent years, meteorologists have calculated that the average thunderstorm holds thousands of tons of rain. To carry this load, air must have mass.

Medical quarantine instituted (Leviticus 13:45-46; Numbers 5:1-4). Long before man understood the principles of quarantine, God commanded the Israelites to isolate those with a contagious disease until cured.

Circumcision on the eighth day is ideal (Genesis 17:12; Leviticus 12:3; Luke 1:59). Medical science has discovered that the blood clotting chemical prothrombin peaks in a newborn on the eighth day. This is therefore the safest day to circumcise a baby. How did Moses know?!

Our ancestors were not primitive (Genesis 4:20-22; Job 8:8-10; 12:12). Archeologists have discovered that our ancestors mined, had metallurgical factories, created air-conditioned buildings, designed musical instruments, studied the stars, and much more. This evidence directly contradicts the theory of evolution, but agrees completely with God’s Word.

A seed must die to produce new life (1 Corinthians 15:36-38). Jesus said, “unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.” (John 12:24). In this verse is remarkable confirmation of two of the fundamental concepts in biology: 1) Cells arise only from existing cells. 2) A grain must die to produce more grain. The fallen seed is surrounded by supporting cells from the old body. These supporting cells “give their lives” to provide nourishment to the inner kernel. Once planted, this inner kernel germinates resulting in much grain

Olive oil and wine useful on wounds (Luke 10:34). Jesus told of a Samaritan man, who when he came upon a wounded traveler, he bandaged him – pouring upon his wounds olive oil and wine. Today we know that wine contains ethyl alcohol and traces of methyl alcohol. Both are good disinfectants. Olive oil is also a good disinfectant, as well as a skin moisturizer, protector, and soothing lotion. This is common knowledge to us today. However, did you know that during the Middle Ages and right up till the early 20th century, millions died because they did not know to treat and protect open wounds?

The Pleiades and Orion star clusters described (Job 38:31). The Pleiades star cluster is gravitationally bound, while the Orion star cluster is loose and disintegrating because the gravity of the cluster is not enough to bind the group together. 4,000 years ago God asked Job, "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion?" Yet, it is only recently that we realized that the Pleiades is gravitationally bound, but Orion's stars are flying apart.

Soil conservation (Leviticus 23:22). Not only was the land to lay fallow every seventh year, but God also instructed farmers to leave the gleanings when reaping their fields, and not to reap the corners (sides) of their fields. This served several purposes: 1) Vital soil minerals would be maintained. 2) The hedge row would limit wind erosion. 3) The poor could eat the gleanings. Today, approximately four billion metric tons of soil are lost from U.S. crop lands each year. Much of this soil depletion could be avoided if God’s commands were followed.

Animals do not have a conscience (Psalm 32:9). A parrot can be taught to swear and blaspheme, yet never feel conviction. Many animals steal, but they do not experience guilt. If man evolved from animals, where did our conscience come from? The Bible explains that man alone was created as a moral being in God’s image.

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Glenn Beck - God Punished Japan With Earthquake, Tsunami

braindonut says...

For me, it's not a matter of taking offense. I'm not even remotely offended and neither should anyone else be. Instead, I'm concerned about the ridiculously stupid things that humans have a tendency to do when they inject ideas of a rational agent into horrific events which had no manner of sentient involvement, simply because they can't cope with the reality that bad things happen and don't need a reason outside of the natural world.

You just have to read some history books to learn how many retarded things we've done because of that. And sometimes, it manifests in subtle ways.

So yeah, what he said - insanely stupid. Anyone who thinks that sort of shit is living 500+ years in the past.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Here we have the same gargle of atheists going out of their way to get pissed off at one man's opinion. It's fun to be offended...the religious equally enjoy being offended by what they deem blasphemous.

Glenn Beck - God Punished Japan With Earthquake, Tsunami

quantumushroom says...

Here we have the same gargle of atheists going out of their way to get pissed off at one man's opinion. It's fun to be offended...the religious equally enjoy being offended by what they deem blasphemous.

All right, you don't care for GB and wouldn't no matter what he said, but you would "respect" him more for saying what he "really" thinks? Read the quote. It implies something, but is so vague as to be meaningless.

Obama never says what he means and he's the President. For now.


>> ^Crosswords:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Beck quote: "But I'll tell you this: whether you call it Gaia or whether you call it Jesus -- there's a message being sent. And that is, 'Hey, you know that stuff we're doing? Not really working out real well. Maybe we should stop doing some of it.' I'm just sayin'."
It was not a well-constructed thought, but it says nothing to the effect of God singled out Japan for its sins or that Japan 'deserved' it.
Tis a far cry from what Stenk and Friends are insinuating, but expect no less from "interpreters" who are anti-religion.

So supernatural force causing earthquakes to send a message that stuff people are doing is not good. It is still a moron trying to place human causation on a natural disaster. He's playing the same stupid game he always does, 'I'm not going to say (blank is a blank) but wink wink you gotta wonder.'
And thus why I suggest he's got shriveled raisins for testicles because he's too much of a pussy to say what he actually means. I'm sure his fans would eat it up and his buddies at FOX would just go, Oh Glen you so crazy, but you make us a lot of money so we love you.

Christopher Hitchens drops the Hammer

shinyblurry says...

>> ^NinjaInHeat:

Shiny, lets assume for a moment that you're right, there is an after life, mr. god will judge us when we die and send us to the corner of shame and eternal hellfire to think about what we've done.
Fine, so I guess we can at least agree on one thing: until that day comes I will actually live, embrace life with all its temptation and unholiness, indulge the devil's ways and blaspheme my ass off, live, love, fuck, drink, hate, whatever the fuck I can get away with. And you, you sad little person, when that day comes you'll be as sad as you are today, you and the countless others who are an affront to life it self. And y'know what? I'll pick hellfire with the likes of Hitchens over your divine garden of twats any day.


I'm glad we could get all of this out in the open. Yes, you're free to do whatever you want. Like any other slack jawed yokel idiot, you can live life the charlie sheen way, shallowly indulging yourself in all the puerile tripe you identify with a winning lifestyle. But, as I mentioned earlier sin isn't allowed in Heaven. It will be plucked out like it never existed. All those who delight in wickedness will be punished for it so that is what you have to look forward to if you don't repent.

As far as being "an affront to life itself", I support life, I love life. It's people like you who think they're entitled to do any fucked up thing they'd like..ie, if it feels good do it, who are ruining society. People with no scruples or charity, characterized mainly by their lack of tolerance and narrow mindedness. People who enjoy sinning, get some sort of rush out of it. Well, it's an ugly thing you do, to yourself and to others. It's a shittier world that you create. So don't be surprised when you get shit in return.



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