And the devil says under his breath "better luck next time"

Merry Christmas!

I appreciate you saying that, newtboy. Things have settled down a lot these days so I don't have much to complain about. I'm on a forum called "christianforums.com" and atheists are treated pretty well there, by the way. It's a really huge site and there are a ton of subforums on a variety of topics where anyone can post and there are many places to discuss and debate Christianity or whatever you like. My nick on there is "thesunisout" if you ever decide to check it out. Take care!

I appreciate your invitation. I would gladly visit you, but not for that purpose. I haven't been a Christian all of my life, so I am not unfamiliar with these types of experiences. I know what they are, and what is behind them. I know they are very important you, and I am not trying to condemn you; I am warning you that you are playing with forces that are beyond your control or understanding, and that they are malevolent in nature. I don't expect that you will believe me but I do pray that God will reveal this to you in a way that you can understand. Thank you again for your kind offer; I can understand your perspective on this. I might have thought in a similar way previously. God bless.

Sorry...hit the wrong button.

Thanks bro..I enjoyed it. It's always nice to have new music to listen to. I've never heard this artist before..how long has she been on the scene? Is this the kind of music you generally like?

In reply to this comment by jonny:
a bit of funk to loosen you up brother.... ;

http://videosift.com/video/Shining-Star

I believe in an Anerica that honors and acknowledges God for the blessings He gives this country, and the covenant the founders made with Him. I also believe that an America that doesn't do that, and in fact does the opposite, is headed for destruction.

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If you want to make fun of me, feel free. It doesn't bother me. I also have nothing to apologize for, since I said what I said for UPs benefit. I hope she took it to heart and thought twice about what she was doing.

I really do look like Jesus, at least the white guy version. That's not a bad acid trip, that is just reality. Obviously there is no comparison, and I'll be to be the first to admit that I am an unworthy servant. I honestly don't think I am better than anyone else, and I don't judge anyone here. I judge their behavior, sure, but not their person.

You can call me delusional all you want, and I will call you foolish and ignorant. Doesn't really get us anywhere. If you just want to be immature, I can't stop you. I don't think anything bad about you, in fact I pray for you at times but I always have trouble pronouncing your name. God bless.



>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Again, reading comprehension? I didn't call her a harlot, I said she was acting like one. I don't think I am superior morally, as we are all sinners who deserve death and hell. However, God provides a superior morality, and if you aren't following that you are dead in your sins. I want to ask you, why do you always chase me around with this passive aggressive commentary? You cannot help but heap insults on me, but it is simply trite and immature from my POV. How about instead of nipping at my heels you actually engage me with some original thought. Do you have anything swimming around upstairs besides empty criticism?
>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^shinyblurry:
I didn't call her names, I criticized her behavior. Perhaps english is your second language. I was honestly trying to get her to see that she was stepping over a line she didn't want to cross. Perhaps that doesn't seem loving, but there was an ugly spirit at work there and it needed to be confronted. In the midst of all the drooling male carnality, I was the only one attempting to be self-righteous.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^shinyblurry:
I only called her a whore because I want to spread the love of Jesus Christ.

Oh, OK. Cool.


Calling someone a "harlot", while maybe a bit outdated, is exactly the same as calling them a whore.
There are many words that were once technical terms, that are now considered hurtful and mean-spirited. Words like: moron, retard, douche-bag, imbecile, idiot and yes, harlot, were once considered to carry no negative connotations at all. So using your example, there was a time long ago when a medical professional might have said something like: "Shinyblurry is a moronic retard who's personality resembles that of a bag containing the contents from a filthy harlot's freshly-washed vagina." But here in the twenty-first century, English doesn't have to be your first language for you to realize that when someone calls another person a harlot, they are trying to hurt their feelings and degrade them. Which in your case, was merely a function of trying to express your moral superiority.
And by the way: The word "English" is a proper noun, and should be capitalized.


Shiny, I tried engaging you when you first started commenting here. But you've proven time and again that you are completely incapable of "original thought". Your entire world-view is based on other people's interpretations of the bible, and a bad acid trip that convinced you that you looked like Jesus. I have some news for you: you're not Jesus. The only reason I leave comments on your posts anymore is to poke fun at your completely delusional view of the world. I was done attempting to engage you a long time ago.
You don't actually think that using a simile to insult someone makes the insult OK. You just think that there's someone out there dumb enough to care about your defense of your callous, insensitive comment that they might be swayed by your pathetic excuses. The irony is, if you weren't so insulting to everyone you condescend to, you might actually make the connections you're seeking.
I didn't leave a comment on your profile. I left a comment on Fusionaut's profile to make fun of you.

Again, reading comprehension? I didn't call her a harlot, I said she was acting like one. I don't think I am superior morally, as we are all sinners who deserve death and hell. However, God provides a superior morality, and if you aren't following that you are dead in your sins. I want to ask you, why do you always chase me around with this passive aggressive commentary? You cannot help but heap insults on me, but it is simply trite and immature from my POV. How about instead of nipping at my heels you actually engage me with some original thought. Do you have anything swimming around upstairs besides empty criticism?

>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^shinyblurry:
I didn't call her names, I criticized her behavior. Perhaps english is your second language. I was honestly trying to get her to see that she was stepping over a line she didn't want to cross. Perhaps that doesn't seem loving, but there was an ugly spirit at work there and it needed to be confronted. In the midst of all the drooling male carnality, I was the only one attempting to be self-righteous.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^shinyblurry:
I only called her a whore because I want to spread the love of Jesus Christ.

Oh, OK. Cool.


Calling someone a "harlot", while maybe a bit outdated, is exactly the same as calling them a whore.
There are many words that were once technical terms, that are now considered hurtful and mean-spirited. Words like: moron, retard, douche-bag, imbecile, idiot and yes, harlot, were once considered to carry no negative connotations at all. So using your example, there was a time long ago when a medical professional might have said something like: "Shinyblurry is a moronic retard who's personality resembles that of a bag containing the contents from a filthy harlot's freshly-washed vagina." But here in the twenty-first century, English doesn't have to be your first language for you to realize that when someone calls another person a harlot, they are trying to hurt their feelings and degrade them. Which in your case, was merely a function of trying to express your moral superiority.
And by the way: The word "English" is a proper noun, and should be capitalized.

I didn't call her names, I criticized her behavior. Perhaps english is your second language. I was honestly trying to get her to see that she was stepping over a line she didn't want to cross. Perhaps that doesn't seem loving, but there was an ugly spirit at work there and it needed to be confronted. In the midst of all the drooling male carnality, I was the only one who thought she was still a lady who was selling herself short.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^shinyblurry:
I only called her a whore because I want to spread the love of Jesus Christ.

Oh, OK. Cool.

Your attempt to ban me was all about your personal prejudice, and nothing to do with the truth. I have been viciously insulted by many, but I don't see you crying out for justice. Again, I didn't criticize UsesProzac, I criticized her behavior, which definitely crossed the line, not to mention sinful. If I didn't think UsesProzac didn't have some intrinsic value as a human being, I never would have said anything.

the saddest thing about this statement is that the ironic hypocripsy of it is completely lost on you. this brand of stupidity is precisely the reason why the bible states that any one who says in their heart there is no god is a fool.


In reply to this comment by JiggaJonson:
If anything, our discussion has reminded me of why I detest people like you. You've rekindled my passion for arguing on this subject because it bothers me when people simply refuse to budge on a position. Unwavering opinions are inherently ignorant because they don't allow for criticism.

If you walk away from our discussions with anything let it be this; I am your enemy so long as you refuse to allow for the possibility that your position could be refuted; or in other words, as long as you are unreasonable. I will come at you with all tenacity and rigor presently available to me to exercise my belief that being unreasonable is a bad thing. Fictitious beliefs often cause real harm, and I intend to "show you the light" as it were.

I'm talking about just as a layman. You go from one thing to the other between one post yet have the nerve to tell me I'm wrong when you haven't even done a thorough investigation into the things you're asserting are true, let alone what I am saying.

As far as proof goes, no one can argue you into a faith you don't have. I will just say as I have continued to say that God will reveal Himself to you if you dilligently seek Him. Since you haven't, don't be surprised that you don't see any evidence in the void of your unbelief.

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I didn't change my position, I merely refined it. I still believe the universe goes on for bi-directionally fourth dimensionally (that is, goes on without end, both forwards and backwards, in time) for infinity and thus had no beginning (and thus no creator). While you're right, and I will certainly concede that this is not anything close to my area of expertise, I am good at studying and understanding the abstract and literal language of academic papers (something people take for granted when I tell them I'm an English major) and I feel like my rudimentary understanding of the theories and what I've read allows me to make up my own mind on the subject thank you very much.

Am I a physicist? cosmologist? Certainly not. But I'm intelligent enough to understand the concepts without needing to take up a doctorate on the subject.

And you have some balls to ask me to admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Here's one for you, how can you prove that your own religious experiences are not the product of some brainwave fluctuations that YOU don't fully understand? Case in point, these people all left feeling like they had a religious experience, when in fact there was basically just a magnet on their head.

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:Atheistsex.jpg

Well, I'll have to disagree with you here. God isn't a myth. At the very least, God is an idea, and a philosophical conception. Let me ask you this, since you're science minded..Is the postulate of a creation really that irrational? Why is it so unlikely that it was? You may not agree with a particular account of creation, but just the basic question of how the Universe got here..why does creation seem unlikely to you?

I mean, for a species that hasn't even left its backyard, don't you think its a bit premature to rule that out? That in itself is bad science..as well as the fact that there is absolutely no evidence to support that view. Only a lack of evidence is pointed to, but as William Lane Craig says, an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Yes, religion has been misused. Evil people can abuse anything, especially Gods authority. Personally, I don't agree with anything the catholic church has done. If they are Christians, it's only by the skin of their teeth. There have also been evil atheists, like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot..and others who slaughtered tens of millions of their own people. It's human nature that is the problem here.

I know you don't believe in a spiritual reality, so you just don't get this video at all. It's not about the mans insight, he is describing an experience. This video is kind of chopped up..if you really want to evaluate it, watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9f2n0xPZ3k ..it's an interview which is much more indepth and makes some things clear which are not apparent.

For instance, when he goes to hell..he experiences being there for an eternity..not just a few minutes like it seems in the video..he describes being there for a vast amount of time, being self-aware the entire time and vividly recounting the thoughts that he had. He also goes into supreme detail of the experience he had with Jesus in going over his entire life, and secrets God revealed to him..not only that but he spends perhaps months with Jesus learning from Him and the angels in a question and answer session.

When he finally gets back, it turns out he was only unconscious for a moment..so all that time that had passed only equaled a moments time here. Plenty about this experience is unique, and intriguing. I would humbly submit that it is your lack of curiousity about the subject, mixed with the judgements you already have, that prevent you from seeing that.

In reply to this comment by peggedbea:
there is a bias, all communities have a common ground. i just don't think the bias is against people of faith as much as it is a bias in favor of empirical evidence and against perpetuating bad science and myths. all myths, not just ones of a religious nature. and all bad science, not just creationism. i generally don't upvote atheist videos either. because they're often loaded with self righteousness and bad arguments. i do however, upvote good science and i do upvote thoughtful insight. i just didn't find this mans insight particularly insightful or original. people often have religious experiences when facing death, i have absolutely nothing against that. and i can understand the need to believe in an afterlife. i think spirituality is deeply personal and deeply powerful and deeply beautiful and fascinating. i think religion, however, is a massive power game and i think power breeds massive corruption... see the history of the catholic church and the influence of the christian right on todays political landscape.