I've lived here in Thailand for 8+ years teaching English in primary and secondary schools, and that was rather weird -- if he was going to do something like that (show respect to the winner), I would have expected him to do a very deferential "wai" (the Thai bow / hands pressed together gesture). That is what they would do in Thai boxing.

I wonder if this is a school with an English program, so he picked up some of the cultural elements also. I don't think I've ever seen Thai students shake hands unless it was something I or another foreign teacher taught them to do.

Another example of why I'm not fit for a jury...when asked if I have any prejudice I answer honestly that I can't believe any police testimony because they are taught it's OK to lie in order to get evidence or compliance, and they obviously don't limit themselves to lying only in those instances. They are so prepared to lie they do things like beat up unconscious people while yelling 'stop resisting', believing they are only being recorded on audio, already preparing the lie they'll tell in court from the first contact with the 'suspect'.
On another note, the secondary title "POLICE ABUSE BEAT A ACCIDENT VICTIM" is pretty misleading, this was hardly an 'accident victim', he was a 'purposeful crash victim', and rightly so.

While I think the ad is tasteless, I thought large chain business built on reputation were above this, they haven't done anything legally wrong here.

If she posed for the photos, and was paid by the photographer as the model, she had to have signed a disclosure contract that allowed the photographer to sell her image. I'm guessing that it wasn't Burger King she posed for when these photos were taken but an independent photographer, or image bank like Getty Images.

So once she has modeled and collected her paycheck, (or maybe, no paycheck), she has entered into a contract whereby the photographer or artist who took the photos has full say on how those images are used, in this case sold to a major fast food chain.

And it's not Rape. In now way is this rape. Disappointing and a bit embarrassing and by-and-large a completely inappropriate ad for a family focused restaurant chain. But then Burger King is know for it's sometimes inappropriate ads.

I will also say that it was an unprofessional move to buy the model footage and not take their own photos with a willing model. Big companies who can afford it, should never be purchasing stock photos from a service for this very reason, someone will notice and call them out. Big companies have a professional reputation to uphold. This ad campaign was a cop-out, without professionalism.

I'll bet this ad was created by a secondary party as well, and not by Burger King staff creative. Sometimes large corporations can't police every ad that is made in their name - which is unfortunate. I work for a small company and it's often a nightmare trying to police all the creative that gets made which doesn't get filtered through the Public Affairs department.

Please, do not be hate-baited and lower yourself to their level.
(Red newbie P's = Propaganda)

Reasoning and facts are secondary to anyone who defends this kind of atrocity.

Hey Red P's, repeat after me...
TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, TOTALLY INDEFENSIBLE
...and that's from your closest ally.

Please ignore the flame baiting, do not lower yourself to their level.

Reasoning and facts are secondary to anyone who defends this kind of atrocity.

Secondary effects like this can actually appear to move faster than light speed.

Imagine if you had an infinitely powerful lantern just a foot across, and a opaque screen around it which exposes only half of the light. and spins once per second, creating... a rotating lighthouse effectively.

Now fly out 1 light year from that. At this distance, the rotating pattern of light and shadow is "moving" at 6.28 light years per second.

perhaps, but first things first. Economic policy is secondary to energetic concerns. Innovation is seriously impeded if a society is primarily worried about feeding itself. You don't innovate if u spend ur time digging in the dirt for primary needs. Agrarian societies require energetic resources to become industrial.
Once that is considered, then u can argue economic policies. Until then, it's seriously premature.

@VoodooV

is that what you did?
you just wanted to understand morganths downvote?
for him to clarify his position on why he would downvote a video on discrimination?

ok..let us look at your original comment shall we?

"ahh the coward @Morganth rears their ugly head as well.

come on out of the shadows and defend your downvotes, your homophobia, and your shitty religion, if you can."

i didnt see you ask once WHY he downvoted.
i did,however,see you call him a coward,a homophobe and disrespect his religion.

now maybe each one of your assumptions are spot on but we will never know the truth of that.
why?
because they are assumptions!!!

which is what i was pointing out.i am not defending morganths possible (and maybe probable) homophobia,i am defending his right to downvote without being harassed.

you do not know why he downvoted and neither do i.
maybe he just didnt like the video.
maybe huckebee is his uncle.
maybe he IS a homophobe.
maybe he just doesnt like you.
who knows?

and now we may never know because you did not just ask him to clarify his position..you ridiculed him..in public.

and that brings me to my secondary comment which deals with this issue and i think its an important one.
the subjectiveness of our own perceptions.

now maybe being called names and being poked in the ribs will bring you out to defend your position.....but thats YOU.other people may have a totally different reaction/response.

if your desire to understand is the motivation then maybe calling people names is not the best path in order to get them to share some of their inner-most feelings and/or ideologies.

to get respect you have first to give it.
and assumptions and presumption is disrespectful.

I don't see the "secondary explosions". I do see some trees being blown up.

People that give a fuck about the true direction of the planet who like to blabber-on ad-naseum about which news corp is their favorite and which one is full of morons, and if you like them well then you must be a moron, or (insert meaningless label here) are the most gullible, the most extremely out-of-touch with what's truly going on. They have let their minds become a sponge for distraction and illusion by the very machine that rapes the planet of human and natural resources for personal gain and consolidation of power.

The mind is a terrible thing to waste on feeding the very machine that enslaves us all.

As a simple example of just how secondary oil would be as a universal commodity you need only to look at who controls the access. If we'd gone the direction of the Bucky Fullers and Teslas that pop-into the grid in every epoch, and shared collectively in a similar mind and vision, people who pick winners and losers would be non-existent or self-aware, and the real criminals on the planet posing as so-called leaders would be raving in asylums or extinct by now.

Why won't the planet use nuclear energy correctly and righteously for example...SAFE power from the atomic components that make up the experiential world?? Because assholes and criminals run the show. Period.

Same with oil. Same with slavery through economic monopoly, same with the mind-control apparatus that force-feeds the gullible their world views based on their insidious, contrived models.

There are way better drugs out there than politics kids......Use your fucking brains?!

Yes, I found this as a secondary post, so I didn't see the original title until after I posted it. However Matt does breath new life into the statements made. and if that helps the message get out there, then so be it.

The form isn't to let them go rock climbing, it's for them to walk home. And as I understand it it's an eight year old and a 14 year old.

Here in the UK we use a different system. It's called common fucking sense.

My mother is a secondary school teacher and my sister in law is a primary and nursery teacher. They both happened to come round my house tonight and I mentioned this video and asked them about exactly what happens in schools in the UK today, as I'm a little out of touch (it's a good few years since I was at school).

They were both utterly confused by the video. Police in schools in the UK is a very rare thing, and they're only called in as a last resort. This situation would never have ended with police being called unless the guy was actually being a threat, which he clearly isn't. Any escalation would have been passed on to the senior members of staff who would deal with the situation.

As for the waivers to let the kids walk home in the UK it's simple. At secondary school level, so 11 and up, once they're off the school site they're your responsibility. You can pick them up or let them walk or catch the bus or whatever, but the school won't check that for you. Younger kids there's an agreement with the school about who will pick them up, but it's not as formal as the forms in the video. But there is a key word on file so if someone comes to pick up the kid that the staff don't know they need to give the key word to be able to get the kid.

But if a parent comes to take a kid out of school, even in the middle of a class, they can't stop them and they wouldn't call the police as a parent picking up their kid isn't a police matter.

Police would only ever be involved if there was violence or the real threat of violence. The thought that the police could enforce school rules is bizarre.

I don't know what else to say. I'm glad this isn't the case everywhere in America. There are a lot of differences between the UK and America which are nation wide though. I'm sorry I'm not an expert on your school system. From what you say though the police in schools thing is something that's not unusual in America, and I find that strange.

I find the whole video fucked up, and even more so the fact that some people in this thread seem to think it was right for the guy to be arrested. That it's OK for the school to keep the kids from the parents.

It's all just fucking weird.

1st. The state is us, the citizens.
2nd. The government is the state government, an employee of the state, established by the state and for the state. The state government owns no property and has no authority, it only manages our public assets, and acts in our authority.

Those things you mention were changed by protest.
People exercising their 1st amendment right to assemble and petition the government, assembled, and were a royal PITA to a lot of other people.
In time, that forced the hand of those who had been elected to placate those that protested, to get rid of the nuisance.

Since then, the right to assemble has been 'interpreted' as a secondary right, and the right to petition the government is the primary.
This empowered the government to require permits for protests, and subsequently just remove protesters.
Now you can only write a letter asking for change. The right to petition has basically been neutered, by removing the one effective method of coercion that the state [common man] had over the government.

Elections are not democracy.
How you come up with your representative is irrelevant.
Elected, appointed, born, whatever. It's absolutely irrelevant.

Democracy = People's rule.
Representative democracy = People's rule by a representative 3rd party.

The representative is not a leader.
He is an agent obligated to represent (i.e. listen to and obey) his constituents.

So long as a representative is actively representing, then he is executing his office, then the state has democracy.

If the representative goes off and does what he wants, and ignores what the state wants, then the state has no democracy.

We in the U.S. have no "leaders".
We the people are the leaders.
The people we elect are employed by us to represent us, in a government of our creation.

Whether or not the people in government care to do their jobs or not, is a separate issue.

Right now, someone will get elected. Even if they only voted for themselves.
There is no requirement to have a positive rating from the people, in order to get elected.
Regardless who gets elected, they all get paid by the same lobbyists, and pander to the same financial interests.
The only way you get change for the common man, is when it incidentally aligns with what's good for the entrenched interests.

eg. If Obamacare works out in the end. Great. If not, oh well, another 'meh' program that in the end just provides state unemployment labor. Whatever.
Either way, it didn't happen for a love of the common man and his health. It happened because insurance companies were lobbying for it.





I would like to add that "the other" is generally a really poor propaganda based impression.
Every country on earth, it's not as great their media says it is, and it's not as bad as other's media says it is.

Here a cop will shoot a little old lady half a dozen times for picking a fight with a random other person (this just happened locally).
In a crap ton of ex-soviet countries that people love to grimace about 'how bad it is', you can argue with the cops till they let you go. And you don't have to assume they will beat you to a pulp for it.

People's impression of "police state" is what they imagine from movies. A 1984 caricature. But that's not what a police state look like in reality.
It's a place that's generally normal, unimposing, and only time to time when you step on the wrong person's toes, you end up 'going away for a while'.

Here in the U.S., 1 in 18 men is in jail or on parole.
Good luck finding another country that even comes close.
The policing is out of control. Way too much 'getting tough' on irrelevant things that shouldn't even be a bother, let alone be considered crimes.

-scheherazade

infection is a secondary concern, Your immediate danger is neurovascular compromise. If the foot doesn't have a blood supply then it's dead within hours. Often this involves manipulation and realignment at the scene since blood vessels can get kinked

*brain

charliem - you've exactly hit on the problem with this "moral question", though in a way I believe most folks would never think of.

I remember the first time this I heard this about twenty years ago. My immediate reaction was yes on 1, no on 2, because if I flip the track switch there is an overwhelming likelihood the train will follow the secondary track and kill one person, but in the second scenario, there is no such guarantee. Every time I've pointed this out to the questioner, they try some hand-waving physics to convince me that it will work, but ultimately fail. And I'm convinced that the vast majority of people also understand this - that there really is no guarantee of derailing the train by pushing a fat person onto the tracks - and that is why most people respond the same way.

This is a very old "moral dilemma" question designed to elucidate human nature, but as charliem points out, it is completely false and thus completely invalid.

The questions are invalid in terms of interpreting the answers of respondents. On the other hand, using it as a means of probing the neurological basis of morality with fMRI is probably useful, since the relevant systems will likely be engaged regardless of the physical anomalies.