@ZappaDanMan - I had a fairly similar upbringing and set of experiences. My family is Methodist, which is about as liberal as protestants get; and both of my parents are big travel buffs and quite open to different points of view.

However, I think that they both have had highly positive associations with their experiences within the church, and they wanted that for me as well. So I got the full on Bible school, summer church camp, etc. etc. treatment. I think that at around age 10-12 I was questioning the dogma quite a bit (at least internally, I didn't bring up my questions at that point) and by 13-14 I was already thinking of myself as an atheist.

I think when I was 15 my folks wanted me to be in the church "confirmation class". I told them up front that I didn't want to do it but they told me to take the class and then I could make a decision for myself at the end. Now I am actually rather glad that I did, because it showed me the true face of many of the "faithful". I found the confidence to actually raise the questions and doubts that I had had for a long time, and I never got any answers I found satisfying.

To the church's credit, I was never kicked out of the class, and the "official" teachers like the pastors and group organizers didn't do anything to try to pressure or exclude me. But word got around to church members that I was asking these sorts of questions, and I got lots of cold shoulders at best and accusatory rants at worst from many of them.

When the year-long class had finished, I was the only one out of 20 or so students that refused to be "sworn in" as it were as a church member. My parents relented then and let me stop going to church, possibly because it became obvious that the good experiences that they had in the church weren't applying to me, and possibly because some of the bad feelings towards me were transferring onto them.

Anyway, I'm glad I got out, glad I had that experience, and glad that there wasn't any real fallout with my family as a result.

>> ^RFlagg:

Even if this is the next expansion, and that is possible since they did register the trademark for it (but with Diablo 3 coming out, not sure they would risk splitting the player base and hold off on an actual expansion for a while later, then again Cataclysm isn't doing as well as they hoped and they said they want faster times between expansions... and I would guess there will be some Titan info coming out at this years BlizzCon which would also take away the expansions thunder), this doesn't mean the Pandarens will be a playable race. I doubt they would let them be a playable race unless they have a mechanic to let it be neutral. He kept calling it class rather than race, but as to their classes, I would guess there would be some sort of martial art type class that would be unique to them, and I would guess they would kick ass if they were playable. If it is a WoW expansion, and I doubt it, then I doubt they are playable and likely just the area that opens up, and neutral to both sides, but plenty of beer available, and perhaps a brewers secondary profession.
My guess is that the Mists of Pandaria is likely a mobile app or Facebook/Google + type app rather than a proper WoW expansion. Either way I am sure BlizzCon will answer that.
My BlizzCon predictions are that it will largely be about Diablo 3, with Titan getting some initial details to expand on the earnings report that said it will be a casual game... I take casual to be like Farmvile, others say WoW itself is casual so who knows what they meant by Titan being casual. Mists of Pandaria will be a third also ran story if it is indeed just a mobile or social gaming app.


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That'll buff out.

His left arm is buff as hell!

I like how when they talk about crosstraining possibilities in a non-union they begin walking past the funnest parts of the store to work in. Suddenly they're in the electronics, movie and CD music area. Places employees watching the video would begin thinking, "Oh man I'm in shoes, but Id love to get cross trained for selling THAT stuff.. Can't do that in a union? But I'm quite the music buff myself, actually...", etc.

Stopping here though.. can't stomach anymore cheese.

That'll buff right out.

Gotta love a great Fast Times quote
>> ^dag:

My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it. >> ^quantumushroom:
Crash? That'll buff right out!

>> ^dag:

My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it. >> ^quantumushroom:
Crash? That'll buff right out!



Just hit repair when you get to the armorsmith in Ogrimmar, what's the big deal?!?

/I know you played too!

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My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it. >> ^quantumushroom:

Crash? That'll buff right out!

Crash? That'll buff right out!

>> ^Xax:

>> ^Shepppard:
... a fully voiced MMo with a potentially (and being as it's Bioware, I'd say I'm more prone to say likey) epic storyline that varies from class to class...
Pretty sure that's innovative.

I'm pretty sure that hiring more people to speak the lines isn't innovative in the least. It's cool for sure. We'll see how the epic personal storyline part turns out. As far as the actual gameplay, I haven't seen anything impressive or new or interesting.
I'm much more interested in Guild Wars 2... if you want to see innovation in MMOs, that's where it's at.


They've brought the radial chat wheel to an MMo, and added in the option to have multiple people in a storyline conversation.

I'm interested as to how that'll work, because I like being the good guy and the friend I generally play games with tends to be a dick. So I'm curious as to how the good-cop bad-cop thing is going to play out. However, I think you're dismissing a fully voiced MMo a little too hastily. Adding voices into a game adds in a completely new level of depth, instead of just skipping through quest text you actually progress and converse with the world around you.

I'm curious as to what you see in GW2 as innovative, as far as I can tell the only semi new thing is dynamic combat, and dynamic quests to a point. The ability to dodge attacks or hide behind a shield is interesting, but I'm not commenting more until I've seen balancing addressed. Age of Conan already partially touched on that with its shielding and dodging mechanics (you get 3 shields and 3 places to put them, front, and sides. The more shields per side, the less damage you take when hit from there, but it opens up a weakness on an unshielded side. And sidestepping gave buffs towards attacking or defending depending on which way you went.)

Dynamic quests as it was described to me sounds like Besieged from FFXI, Open Quests from WAR, and Rifts.. from Rift. You're sitting in town, or out in a forest. Suddenly, the enemy is upon us and there's a call to arms. You spend the next however many minutes slaughtering mobs and trying to save NPCs. If there's more types of quests then that, that's a horse of a different colour, but if that's it then that's also not innovative.

Not having traditional "Tank" or "Healer" roles is also going to be in SW:TOR, and is in FFXIV to a point.

And although FFXI has covered this, too, the party system in SW:TOR (with NPC's, not players) means that you never have to actively look for a party, you'll be able to have one of your own to continue to tackle content.

The way it goes now is basically, there IS next to no room for innovation, most of the stuff has been tried, and unless it's in WoW then it's likely flopped. The game that realized this and embraced that is Rift, which seemingly took the "best of" a lot of MMo's out there and refined it into their own.

So don't take this post the wrong way, I'm actively looking for your input on the subject, but why do you feel Guild Wars 2 is innovative?

1:37 isn't going to buff out.

I have no idea what the fuck this is, but I love it HAHAHA

edit: Oh shit its Andy Samberg and his crew.
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Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer) – (x2)
My turtleneck fat and my chain so thin,
N’ im sippin’ light beer, n my crew right here
Chain razor thin like beer in my cup,
And my sweater on turtle with the neck on buff
Huge turtle neck and my chain so skinny
Beer light all night, stand up get dizzy
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Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer)
Turtle neck (check) with another on deck
Incase I spill something on it (like some light beer, yeah)
We be braggin’ bout who’s chain the thinnest
Turtle neck thicker than delta burse women in the Guinness (now bear with me)
But they can’t see my chain,
Metal so thin it dissolve when it rains
Got more chains than the snow patrol
Everyone razor thin like an insect stripper pole
Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer)
Chain so light when police roll by, i made it flow (I made it flow)
And my beer so light you could see right through it, like a ghost
And i also wear turtle necks
Sweaters swallowing my chain like it’s stuck in the couch
Looking like cookie mother floss in this mouth
Find me coolin’ on the corner sippn’ light beer foam
You can tell by my turtle neck and chain that i bone
T-turtleneck, light beer n’ a thin ass chain, n’ that’s it (x2)

-Snoop Dogg-

The rabbit kicked the bucket, dog said f**k it,
Get my 2 step on, with my turtle neck on
Thin ass chain, like beer in my glass
Mackin at the bitches, the ones with the ass
Girl you know it’s true, tell me what it do
Oh you like my style, say you like my crew
Say you wanna’ be under my chest, this turtle neck is like one of my best (x2)
So i guess your dress, no stress, stayin’ fresh as my bandana
Ima crook, so my look, ima game go getta
The fatter the puppy, get the fluffy, get the bigger the turtleneck,
The more gangster it is




The Lonely Island feat. Snoop Dogg - Turtleneck & Chain

Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer) – (x2)
My turtleneck fat and my chain so thin,
N’ im sippin’ light beer, n my crew right here
Chain razor thin like beer in my cup,
And my sweater on turtle with the neck on buff
Huge turtle neck and my chain so skinny
Beer light all night, stand up get dizzy
Light cup, beer drink, thin so chain, neck turtle fat, man I won’t say it again
Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer)
Turtle neck (check) with another on deck
Incase I spill something on it (like some light beer, yeah)
We be braggin’ bout who’s chain the thinnest
Turtle neck thicker than delta burse women in the Guinness (now bear with me)
But they can’t see my chain,
Metal so thin it dissolve when it rains
Got more chains than the snow patrol
Everyone razor thin like an insect stripper pole
Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer)
Chain so light when police roll by, i made it flow (I made it flow)
And my beer so light you could see right through it, like a ghost
And i also wear turtle necks
Sweaters swallowing my chain like it’s stuck in the couch
Looking like cookie mother floss in this mouth
Find me coolin’ on the corner sippn’ light beer foam
You can tell by my turtle neck and chain that i bone
T-turtleneck, light beer n’ a thin ass chain, n’ that’s it (x2)

-Snoop Dogg-

The rabbit kicked the bucket, dog said f**k it,
Get my 2 step on, with my turtle neck on
Thin ass chain, like beer in my glass
Mackin at the bitches, the ones with the ass
Girl you know it’s true, tell me what it do
Oh you like my style, say you like my crew
Say you wanna’ be under my chest, this turtle neck is like one of my best (x2)
So i guess your dress, no stress, stayin’ fresh as my bandana
Ima crook, so my look, ima game go getta
The fatter the puppy, get the fluffy, get the bigger the turtleneck,
The more gangster it is





The Lonely Island feat. Snoop Dogg - Turtleneck & Chain

Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer) – (x2)
My turtleneck fat and my chain so thin,
N’ im sippin’ light beer, n my crew right here
Chain razor thin like beer in my cup,
And my sweater on turtle with the neck on buff
Huge turtle neck and my chain so skinny
Beer light all night, stand up get dizzy
Light cup, beer drink, thin so chain, neck turtle fat, man I won’t say it again
Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer)
Turtle neck (check) with another on deck
Incase I spill something on it (like some light beer, yeah)
We be braggin’ bout who’s chain the thinnest
Turtle neck thicker than delta burse women in the Guinness (now bear with me)
But they can’t see my chain,
Metal so thin it dissolve when it rains
Got more chains than the snow patrol
Everyone razor thin like an insect stripper pole
Turtle neck n’ chain (x3) (sippin’ on a light beer)
Chain so light when police roll by, i made it flow (I made it flow)
And my beer so light you could see right through it, like a ghost
And i also wear turtle necks
Sweaters swallowing my chain like it’s stuck in the couch
Looking like cookie mother floss in this mouth
Find me coolin’ on the corner sippn’ light beer foam
You can tell by my turtle neck and chain that i bone
T-turtleneck, light beer n’ a thin ass chain, n’ that’s it (x2)

-Snoop Dogg-

The rabbit kicked the bucket, dog said f**k it,
Get my 2 step on, with my turtle neck on
Thin ass chain, like beer in my glass
Mackin at the bitches, the ones with the ass
Girl you know it’s true, tell me what it do
Oh you like my style, say you like my crew
Say you wanna’ be under my chest, this turtle neck is like one of my best (x2)
So i guess your dress, no stress, stayin’ fresh as my bandana
Ima crook, so my look, ima game go getta
The fatter the puppy, get the fluffy, get the bigger the turtleneck,
The more gangster it is




The Lonely Island feat. Snoop Dogg - Turtleneck & Chain