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Police chase naked man on four wheeler down interstate

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bcglorf says...

Mostly the trouble depends on where you work and how publicly you make your statement. I'd mostly get called a racist, but working for a partially publicly funded place if I was vocal enough losing your job or being told to apologise and be quiet are real possibilities.

The not allowed to talk about it applies much more heavily to anyone in the media. A recent example would be an aboriginal man that was recently shot by a white farmer. The narrative on the national CBC media made a big deal about rampant racism in the region against aboriginals. In their coverage of local opinion it was even more one sided, as they described two sides, the grieving family of the deceased and their supporters, and then the racists who sided with the farmer because they hated aboriginal people. They very slowly, reluctantly and buried deep under a lot of disclaimers released more information on the case.

The young man that was killed was in a truck with 4 of his friends, and their story was that they got a flat tire and pulled into the yard to seek help with repairs. The CBC ran that much right away. They were much more reluctant to include that the RCMP had been called BEFORE the truck got onto that farm because they had been trying to steal a truck from a neighbouring farm already beforehand. It wasn't until during the trial that even more came out, and CBC again reluctantly included details from the friends that where with the victim. All the occupants of the vehicle had been drinking very heavily all afternoon. They admitted to 'checking cars' at the earlier neighbouring farm. They admitted to using the butt end of a rifle to try and break the windows of the truck at the neighbouring farm, but the stock broke off the gun. It was found at the neighbouring farm by police. Upon arriving at the final farm, they admitted trying to start up an ATV and going through and unlocked vehicle there as well, but disagreed on who was doing which. The trial even included text messages from the night before wondering if one of the friends would be able to "go on missions" tomorrow because they were hiding from police after a liquor store robbery. The farmer also mentioned being scared about what could happen the day of the shooting because he thought back to a story he'd been told about 2 farmers being killed on their yards a few years before he'd moved into the area. Only 1 media outlet in the country, and in 1 article checked out that the identity of one of those killers back then turned out to be the victims uncle. I had to go back looking for the original article from when those murders took place to be sure that the current news article wasn't just sensationalising things.

Now of course none of that means you want to see somebody getting killed over property theft. None of that means racism in any way shape or form is justified. However, when there was a rampant run of rural crime across the area and farmers were getting more and more fed up and nervous about their safety something bad was eventually going to happen. It's a tragedy, but our media was absolutely terrified of covering the full story because listing the facts I just laid out is considered racist. Your blaming the victim. My listing of the above facts is not supposed to be done without including many times more explanations and reasons that this was the white man's fault.

Ultimately, the absolute failure to talk openly about things in Canada is getting people killed. We absolutely need to be clear that stealing doesn't deserve a death penalty. We ALSO need to tell a group of young adults that were going farm to farm, with a loaded rifle, raging drunk, stealing and breaking into vehicles that doing that was a BAD idea and one of the reasons is that doing so might get you shot by someone that doesn't know if your going to hurt them or not. I really believe if the kids had been white that would have been the narrative, but because of race it wasn't. It just makes things worse and inspires more risky and dangerous decisions from people in the future and more people will continue to get hurt.

Fairbs said:

when you talk about getting in trouble, do you mean being called a racist and if not what kind of trouble?

I find it interesting that in the states, people often use an over represented prison population (relative to % of normal population) to indicate that 'those' people are bad. I think with yours and Drachen Jagers comments, you are actually coming from a place that is trying to find a solution to the discrepancy and looking at the underlying conditions that got people into where they are. I wish more people were like that. I also appreciate the insight into the Aboriginal population in Canada. It sounds pretty similar to what's going on in the States.

Officer Brandishing Weapon On ATV Motorist In North Pole

newtboy says...

Unintelligible...try again.

No, no matter what the crime, unless you are being directly threatened with attack, you may not play cop. If you block a road and accost strangers, pretending to be a cop when you aren't, they can probably legally kill you to escape the armed kidnapping, and you can go to prison for decades. Call the cops and take photos of them, don't pretend to be a cop.

The color that probably matters most in this instance is blue, because the cops ignored the guards multiple crimes and went after the victim....as I said. Lighten up, a bare mention of race is not a declaration of racism.

Yes, you have that part right, the cop impersonator is the criminal here. The ATV riders weren't even going fast, and certainly were no danger to him or his family, and even if they were, he's 100% out of line to block, attack, then kidnap them. He's not a cop, so can't arrest people....just like you. Before you try saying citizens arrests are a thing, improper citizens arrest with a gun is kidnapping, not that he performed a citizens arrest in the first place, he impersonated a police officer.

If he had not blocked the road, not touched them, and not pulled a gun on them, but instead waived them down and asked them to slow down, that's proper, and a good start before calling REAL cops. What he did is at LEAST 3 major felonies including impersonating an officer, kidnapping, and using a firearm in the commission of another felony....a good prosecutor could probably charge him with more....if he weren't in 'law enforcement' I'm pretty sure they would.

bobknight33 said:

Yea hes down have the right to stop them and yell at them for running up and and down the street.

If you had hooligans running up and down you street on ATVs then yes stop them ant talk to them and indicate your position of dislike.

Color has nothing to do with it . To you everything is raciest. A white man walking a black dog is raciest. lighten up.

There should not be charges against walker ( atv rider) but against Brower ( want to be cop)

Officer Brandishing Weapon On ATV Motorist In North Pole

Jinx says...

Unless I am mistaken he has no right to stop and detain them. I agree that it seems unlikely that race played a role in the initial altercation (and who knows after that...) but really I think he was in the wrong the moment he grabbed the ATV. If he had a problem with the way they were driving the right thing to do would be to allow the Police to do their jobs and not pretend to be one instead.

bobknight33 said:

Yea hes down have the right to stop them and yell at them for running up and and down the street.

If you had hooligans running up and down you street on ATVs then yes stop them ant talk to them and indicate your position of dislike.

Color has nothing to do with it . To you everything is raciest. A white man walking a black dog is raciest. lighten up.

There should not be charges against walker ( atv rider) but against Brower ( want to be cop)

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Officer Brandishing Weapon On ATV Motorist In North Pole

bobknight33 says...

Yea hes down have the right to stop them and yell at them for running up and and down the street.

If you had hooligans running up and down you street on ATVs then yes stop them ant talk to them and indicate your position of dislike.

Color has nothing to do with it . To you everything is raciest. A white man walking a black dog is raciest. lighten up.

There should not be charges against walker ( atv rider) but against Brower ( want to be cop)

newtboy said:

No. The guy's not a cop, so acting like a cop by stopping the group was also totally wrong. He had no right to stop them in the first place, and absolutely no right to touch them or try to take their keys (what he seemed to be doing).

So...why were charges pressed against the accosted atv rider and not the gun waiving, officer impersonating prison guard? I'm sure it has something to do with color, I'm just not sure if it's brown or blue that skewed their reactions.

Officer Brandishing Weapon On ATV Motorist In North Pole

newtboy says...

No. The guy's not a cop, so acting like a cop by stopping the group was also totally wrong. He had no right to stop them in the first place, and absolutely no right to touch them or try to take their keys (what he seemed to be doing).

So...why were charges pressed against the accosted atv rider and not the gun waiving, officer impersonating prison guard? I'm sure it has something to do with color, I'm just not sure if it's brown or blue that skewed their reactions.

bobknight33 said:

The guy was right to confront the group.

Pulling the gun and the rest of it was where he was out of line.
Pressing charges -- yes -- it is the right thing.

Officer Brandishing Weapon On ATV Motorist In North Pole

eric3579 says...

The video says Walker (ATV rider) told the police he WANTED to file assault charges, but the charges of assault that WERE filed were AGAINST Walker, and no charges have been filed against Brower(FCC officer).

The way the video told the story makes it confusing as they went from Waker wanting to press charges right to charges were filed(around 2:40). However they were actually filed against Walker.

bareboards2 said:

Um, it is the prison guard who has been charged and has been placed on administrative leave from his job. Unless there are other documents on line you saw?

The Alaska State Troopers who were called to the scene were showed the footage and gave Walker the opportunity to press charges, which he did.

Unless I am completely missing something?

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