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bobknight33 says...

I don't' think that the main stream media is interested is this direct sourcing of information.

JiggaJonson said:

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5784098-AGLetter32919.html
"I am aware of some media reports and other public statements mischaracterizing my March 24, 2019 supplemental notification as a "summary" of the Special Counsel's investigation and report."

"My March 24 letter was not, and did not purport to be, an exhaustive recounting of the Special Counsel's investigation"

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bobknight33 says...

And what did Flynn do?
Who interviewed Flynn that led to charges? Biased lead FBI Agent Peter Strzok,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/house-report-backs-claim-that-fbi-agents-did-not-think-flynn-lied-despite-guilty-plea.html

Please pick a new "bad" guy.

JiggaJonson said:

Rather than edit the previous post, I'll add a comment here about why I pulled Flynn out of the group to cite:

Flynn is the most blatant example of the bunch. There are many human shields ready to take the fall, but there's a problem with Flynn compared to the rest. We know what he knew when. We know what Trump knew about Flynn and when.

Take a look at a search on Trump and Flynn from Jan-Feb before he was fired in 2017: https://goo.gl/4w7uo8

His son was fired prior to that, but he had some strong words on Twitter in May of this year https://twitter.com/mflynnJR/status/998660562925113345

newtboy (Member Profile)

bobknight33 says...

Dude you are delusional. Typical for your kind. There is nothing there. Really I thought better of you. I guess I was wrong.

newtboy said:

Really?
He caught up some folks for past deeds, being meetings, debts, massive payments, communications, and partnerships with Russia that they all hid and lied about to the feds under oath when they were interviewed and when they filled out the required legal forms as part of the election team and later as part of the administration, caught and convicted. Also some for witness tampering, threatening others to tell their version of the story and not the truth to investigators about their meetings and dealings with Russians.
These are his team leaders, the clean, upright, best people he has draining the swamp, which leaves a rotting, stinking cess pool full of rotting fish and snakes (which is a good description of the Republican party today).

You cannot be that ignorant of what they're even being investigated for and have already been convicted of yet continue to shout "no collusion, no crime" from your soap box in your tin foil hat like you know something....at least not without being called out on it.

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bobknight33 says...

So what is the connection with Trump?

Mueller has caught up some folks for past deeds, which is good. What connections are there with the election?

JiggaJonson said:

Oh hey! Remember that judge who questioned Robert Mueller's authority? He ruled on the case today

"The May 17 Appointment Order plainly authorizes the investigation of indirect links between Trump campaign officials and the Russian government in addition to more direct connections. In this regard, the May 17 Appointment Order authorizes the Special Counsel to investigate defendant’s ties with individuals financially and politically supported by the Russian government, even where, as here, those individuals are not themselves members of the Russian government. "

So, being the honest person you so obviously are, I'm happy to have helped you to see the light.

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newtboy (Member Profile)

bobknight33 says...

The market drop is not from the memo. The market is fine , slight pull back from explosive growth. Hoped you did some stock shopping Friday.

As for the memo::: Bombshell.::::::
Using the minimally verified Steele dossier that the Clinton/ DNC ,( started by the RNC) then gave to FBI/DOJ is fine with me. IF IT WERE TRUE.


According to the head of the FBI's counter intelligence division, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial
Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated.

The rubbing point is that the FBI/DOJ used this material supplied by Steele to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on an American citizen, Carter Page to indirectly to spy on Trump for political reasons.

Comey own words indicated that this dossier is “salacious and unverified."
McCabe testified “that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISA court without the Steele dossier information”

Yet both signed off to obtain / renew the FISA surveillance.

The fact that the FISA has to be renewed every 90 days and that top leadership ( FBI Director James Comey, McCabe,) and others. The fact that they had to re-sign off every 90 days makes this even worse.


James Comey signed three FISA applications
Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one.
Sally Yates, and Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

They all knew this was a bad document and this was for political reasons.

McCabe wife working for Global Fusion GPS worked on this steel document. McCabe’s wife received 500k for her political run from Hillary Clinton.

The Muller investigation was started due to this dossier. An un verified political slanted document.


This is just the starting point for the American people, as more info is put forth.

With respect to the FISA court itself-- they did their job. The information brought to the court is to be true and accurate.

newtboy said:

I want to hear your take on the memo....I know mine.

Do you, like me, see the stock market crash as a response to it? I feel like those CEO s that are banking on Trump's policies were horrified to see what was being presented as a defensive move, because there is nothing there. Zero. Nada. Zip. Even if the accusations are true, and they aren't as presented in it, there wasn't a thing there that violated FISA or normal procedures.

I'm really curious if you still think it's a smoking gun of some kind, and not just a whining note from a retiring sycophant with no fact or legal charge included....and if so, why and of what?

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bobknight33 says...

Back in the day that was the way things were. There were no cause of redress.
I am not saying that is right but that that was the way.

Today there are laws that prevent this from happening.

I don't think you can look at yesterdays problems through the prism of today logic. If you did you would certainly come up with a solution using the judgements of today social thinking.


As for your statement:

I ( white people ) am blocked from voting.
Do I have cause for redress? -- Yes ( under todays laws and standards)

This occurs for next 150 years ( this sucks) then corrected.

Are my grand children due for the violation of their rights, but not yours? Depends of the customs/ standards/ law of the day that my right to vote were taken away. Would it not?


Now the BLM corrects and reverses the decision of its for fathers and allows Whites to vote. Should I be grateful No I should have had the right long ago.
If you can vote ( BLM) then I can vote ( whites).

Under you scenario BLM owes my grandchildren nothing. They legally voted me not to vote then generationaly later voted my grandchildren to vote. A sorry from the government would be appropriate but individuates owe me nothing. They did not make the law, only lived under it.


I hope I have answered your question.



? If you were born a white on the south with a family owing slaves and many of those in the community owned slaves..

You might accept this as the norm and go along with it and someday own some salves also.

As you grew up you might start to think that this is wrong but would you dare go against the grain? Only when you had a shit load of people think the same way do things change.

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Another analogy of saying this is:

Using todays logic / ways of medicine on the way they practice medicine 150 years ago... Today we think how barbaric they were. But those living in the day it was all they knew.

newtboy said:

Let me try a different, but related tact.
Assume that your right to vote in the next election is removed from you by force based on the color of your skin (like BLM activists only let non whites into polls, and the government allows it). Would you not be due a civil judgement for the violation of your civil rights?
Now assume it happens for the next 150+ years before it's rectified. Are your great grandchildren only due for the violation of their rights, but not yours? Now assume blm says giving you the right to vote is a gift they provided, and your decedents should be eternally grateful it was given at all, not upset that it was once denied by their fathers, and the government (that they put in office without your input) agrees no compensation is due.

In that scenario, your family is owed nothing, neither from the perpetrators, their descendants, or the nation/government that allowed it? And this seems right to you? Hmmmm.

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bobknight33 says...

I respectfully disagree. It is important to see what the result of ones action, as grim as it is.

What about documentaries of wars where you see dead bodies? Are these to be consider as you say.... snuff?

The girl was in a moment of foolishness and not thinking what could be. She will never get that distracted while she drives again.


If the girl had watched such a educational film as this she might have done different.

You can't deny that after watching this, that this makes you stop and think about being more cautious and or attentive about driving.

newtboy said:

*snuff. This clearly doesn't belong here.

And @bobknight33, that idiot girl that murdered her own sister was allegedly not only streaming but also was quite drunk. It seems pretty clear that responsibility was not her strong suit, she was a ward of the state for years due to irresponsible behavior. It's unlikely that she didn't know she was being totally irresponsible, her first reaction after the accident is to say she's going to prison for life, she knew.



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