I didn't want to argue about this in the comment stream, so I have moved it over here. I have left it public if anyone wants to peek, but I didn't want to hijack the very funny Evolution vid with an off-topic.

Well, we're going to have to disagree about this, Gallow. As a woman, I watched the Evolution vid all the way to the end. I saw 50 pretty and maybe 15 (I didn't count) intelligent women answering a politically loaded question that should never have been asked. See vid "should math be taught" -- Miss Vermont got the answer right.

I couldn't watch the shower one. I tried. I got about 1/3 of the way in.

It may have been really funny according to your "precious white male view of the world", but let me assure you, it wasn't funny to me. It was tedious and stupid and a perfect example of a woman being reduced to her body parts.

I could wrong about that, of course, since I gave us so quickly. Did she ever speak? Did she have a line? Was she accorded a point of view, even if it was steeped in the idiocy that is American public thought (I am referencing the stupid evolution answers, if that isn't clear)?

Also... objectification "substantiated" by comedy? That is just plain old objectification, sweetpea, with extra syllables. And.... you think you know which is worse? Don't you think you might ask a woman who is the target of the objectification, rather than checking in with yourself? After all, you are not the potentially offended one, are you? Shouldn't you be asking a bunch of women if THEY are offended?

I'm not defending beauty pageants, I hope you have realized. Rottenseed called me to that vid for the sole purpose of baiting me about the women's movement (a phrase that feels outdated after all these decades.) I was doing what I always do when rotten attempts to get my goat -- I answer the substance of the comment, pretend he isn't a dickhead trying to make me mad, and take the opportunity to rephrase whatever it is he is saying in a gender-neutral or woman-positive way. (Hi rotten. I didn't plan on mentioning you, I just ended up here. Hope you don't instaban me for calling you a dickhead -- snarf.)

I get that you have a different point of view. I also get that there is nothing I can say that will shift your perspective, so why bother "debating"? Having said that, I LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS SHIT. If you want to continue, I'm up for it.

I know that I am one lonely voice here in a sea of white men who have their own struggles with cultural expectations (I mean that sincerely, not snarkily.) That's okay. I have gotten very very VERY good at skipping over shinyblurry's lectures -- I assume that I am skipped over also. I can live with it.

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I can't not say that - according to my precious white male view of the world - whatever objectification there is in the CollegeHumour video you mentioned is substantiated by the comedy. It's not about the objectification of women. It's using a very common experience as a foundation from which to express wit and humour and crack a good joke or two.

Miss USA, by comparison, is pretty much exclusively about the objectification of women. That's all there is. There's no gag, no punchline, no purpose other than determining whose features are the most shapely and symmetrical and who looks nicest in a dress.

I know which one I think is worse.

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Wow. It's, uh... Fancy in here. Why do I feel like I have more STIs than before?

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I gotta admit, I lol'd after clicking the link.

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Um... ...?

:: Looks down ::

really o_O? all I see is hair.
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You've got something in your cleavage.

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Well I can see you started without me again. Well that's it, friendo; I'm not sharing my Thunderbird with you anymore.
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DOn't have tp rove anything to you! BlAGGARD

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You mean you need an excuse? You must be young.
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Yaaaaay! I thought I wouldn't have an excuse to indulge my alcoholism today.

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