Man Schools New York State Trooper On The Law !

Oxen_Moralesays...

Yes, but the first officer did seem to have the bully attitude. I think the filmer did his job well. Supervisor was excellent. Hopefully the 1st officer won't go on a ticket tirade to vent off some steam. He looked pretty pissed when he left but he did hold his tongue well.

Lawdeedawsays...

I can agree up until the cameraman proves he was a flaming dick when he spoke like a flaming dick to the supervisor. The bait didn't work, and you could tell the troll was raging inside. Last little jabs he could make were pathetic.

Oxen_Moralesaid:

Yes, but the first officer did seem to have the bully attitude. I think the filmer did his job well. Supervisor was excellent. Hopefully the 1st officer won't go on a ticket tirade to vent off some steam. He looked pretty pissed when he left but he did hold his tongue well.

eric3579says...

IMO The cop not knowing the law (his job) and harassing someone based on his ignorance is a hundred times more pathetic and disgusting then a dude (who was just harassed by a police officer) venting a bit which yes,seemed a bit childish. In the end thankfully everyone walks away hopefully a bit wiser.

Lawdeedawsaid:

Last little jabs he could make were pathetic.

newtboysays...

"last little jabs"? You mean his calmly telling the Sergeant it would be good to instruct his officers on the law so they can stop wasting everyone's time 'investigating' things that aren't crimes, and also stop breaking the law themselves? Huh?!
Sergeant handled it exactly as he should have. Good on him.

Lawdeedawsaid:

I can agree up until the cameraman proves he was a flaming dick when he spoke like a flaming dick to the supervisor. The bait didn't work, and you could tell the troll was raging inside. Last little jabs he could make were pathetic.

hazmat22says...

I feel like I've seen videos on here of this same guy before, or someone incredibly similar who goes around filming buildings of police type organizations.

He's always well within his rights and well versed in them, but I do feel he's doing it specifically to cause trouble and film it. I applaud his interest in civil liberties, but I'm not sure doing this advances the overall cause or awareness much.

yellowcsays...

Why does it matter if he's specifically doing it to bait them? It doesn't change what they should know and how they should behave, there is a clear example with the sergeant, it's night and day.

hazmat22said:

I feel like I've seen videos on here of this same guy before, or someone incredibly similar who goes around filming buildings of police type organizations.

He's always well within his rights and well versed in them, but I do feel he's doing it specifically to cause trouble and film it. I applaud his interest in civil liberties, but I'm not sure doing this advances the overall cause or awareness much.

hazmat22says...

I can't defend aggressive police that should know the laws clearly so they can uphold them properly. It's hard to picture having that level of surefire arrogance with such a sorry lack of knowledge about basic rights.

But that doesn't mean that returning the harassment, which we do regularly see in videos on here, is a good way to address the underlying issue and effect change. It's hard to have any effective teachable moment in an exchange like this and I'd say impossible to touch on the actual endemic issue behind it.
I would never claim to know how where to start with such a large scale problem, but I would hazard that it would be possible to expend the same energy in ways that might contribute.

yellowcsaid:

Why does it matter if he's specifically doing it to bait them? It doesn't change what they should know and how they should behave, there is a clear example with the sergeant, it's night and day.

yellowcsays...

You call stating and exercising your rights as returning harassment?

The thing is, you don't fight an issue on one front. This is one method of exposure and it is perfectly effective and reasonable.

It can supplement other contributions or just get people interested in a topic they might not have known existed if they had to start with something substantially more dense.

Not every expenditure of energy needs to change the world or solve a problem. Some things are good for their own purpose and are justified by just that.

hazmat22said:

I can't defend aggressive police that should know the laws clearly so they can uphold them properly. It's hard to picture having that level of surefire arrogance with such a sorry lack of knowledge about basic rights.

But that doesn't mean that returning the harassment, which we do regularly see in videos on here, is a good way to address the underlying issue and effect change. It's hard to have any effective teachable moment in an exchange like this and I'd say impossible to touch on the actual endemic issue behind it.
I would never claim to know how where to start with such a large scale problem, but I would hazard that it would be possible to expend the same energy in ways that might contribute.

Lawdeedawsays...

"Until there is legislation on it..." which even the cameraman agrees there is NONE...there will be a lot of misinformation. You do realize that the laws change, and that the changes are not passed on universally? Even legislators rarely know the implications.

A good example was the killing of Trevon Martin. People didn't understand Stand Your Ground, cops or otherwise. They arrested an innocent man (even if he is a murdering piece of shit) and broke the law by doing so. Even smart people on the Sift were so stupid they thought he would be found guilty...and these people were supposedly educated on that particular law they were commenting on. I called it, and guess what happened? Oh yeah...

So suffice to say laws are more nuanced than the officers. Now you could argue that cops must know everything all the time (Which you are implying here, but not on purpose...it is so subtle in society we don't even know we do it, including me) but then that is what a Sergeant is there for. No legislation out? Okay, hey, there's your boss, lets ask him.

Should the officer know as much as reasonably possible? Absolutely--me and you agree 100%. But nobody knows half the laws, and the half they know are subjective...

Also eric, you do realize there are people who are ungrateful that this was peacefully resolved? Such as the for profit corrections system, cop-haters, and many other groups.

eric3579said:

IMO The cop not knowing the law (his job) and harassing someone based on his ignorance is a hundred times more pathetic and disgusting then a dude (who was just harassed by a police officer) venting a bit which yes,seemed a bit childish. In the end thankfully everyone walks away hopefully a bit wiser.

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